HSRš“āā ļø[MyGumsAreBleeding] ice ice baby
RedditIsDedditthis is basically what I picture in my head whenever I hear people around here talking about taking on the government in a revolt itās not that I donāt want to do that but this is what I imagine will happen
Then everything is going according to their plan.
If we never fight back, they can keep doing as they please with no resistance.
āThe revolution will be bloodless if the left allows itā.
The problem is, theyāre already doing it right now and we donāt even have a rebellion to show for it.
If Iām going to get gunned down in the streets, I want to have earned it.
Yeah. If they come for me Iām gonna make sure that theyāre not the only ones bringing guns to the fight. That doesnāt mean Iāll do any damage to them, but Iām screwed either way.
If enough people do that, enough of us will get lucky shots in before we get dropped. We have the numbers on our side.
Kill one fascist no one bats an eye
Kill a thousand fascists, you might get a smirk
Kill the right fascist? Now youāre doing something.
You get it
we literally just had the largest protests in the American history so donāt say weāre not doing anything
Iām not saying that at all, Iām just trying to say donāt discourage people from doing it again or more often
Peaceful protests work best when non-peaceful resistance exists.
MLK needed Malcom X and a handful of people willing to sacrifice their lives.
No social change in history occurred without bloodshed. Morally it is wrong to kill in all cases except self-defense. And people who feel their lives/rights are in danger will act in āself-defenseā
Absolutely.
Northern Irish Civil Rights movement had the IRA. Womenās Suffrage had the Suffregetes
All of these movements allowed the peaceful side to present the same terms:
āYou deal with me or deal with the other guy.ā
RFK wants to send me to a wellness farm. Also, the black dude down the street, just because.
I think the choice to conflict has been made for me, and I should get ready to fight. That means training, and joining up with whoever else who wants to die on their homeās soil. I am not going to El Salvador.
Match!!but we do absolutely need to do more
Those protests did nothing but reinforce the alt-rightās understanding of how weak the opposition is.
The No Kings āprotestsā were easily ignored and inconvenienced nobody. Would have been weak for even GWB-era opposition.
Youāre doing nothing. And everyoneās watching you.
You are wrong
You are a coward
Its part of it. That old man dies and those ice agents go back home to get on their knees for their wonderful life they live.
actionjboneYeah, but the key is: the old man is a Holocaust survivor.
He knows going in they might kill him, or worse. He knows fascism, death camps, and secret police.
If they kill him, he knows thereāll be a massive public outcry: āICE agents murder elderly Holocaust survivor.ā The agents names and faces will be all over the news, and there will be sob stories from his family and friends. ICE will be publicly compared to Nazis. The agents themselves will be identified and outed.
And he knows that the guys with guns are too stupid to realize HE has set THEM up for a trap.
You got that I was pointing out he died on his feet while they live on their knees yeah???
OkokimupI didnāt understand thatās what you meant.
Yeah my bad. I sometimes get obsessed with understatement as an emphasis tool.
AbnormalHumanBeingthis is basically what I picture in my head whenever I hear people around here talking about taking on the government in a revolt itās not that I donāt want to do that but this is what I imagine will happen
Itās why you donāt usually do revolts spontaneously and unorganised. Revolts and revolutions are carried by historical moments of general uprising, but those are then organised and directed by groups that enable people to do more than just, well, be killed, or burn down the neighbourhood. It also, depending on the circumstances, will include fucked up shit like this happening, and what happens next is then determined if the reaction to it is outrage, further organisation and potentially violence, or fear and disorganisation.
Vanquishing hope is often part of propaganda aims. And the idea that revolutions happen in some spontaneous āthe people just standing upā way is part of that propaganda, because that usually only works for system changes with significant support already within the ruling class. To win a revolution, you need to be able to block logistics centres, sabotage infrastructure, take over communication channels, convince, outmanoeuvre or fight military and (militarised) police, organise international connections, have connections within status-quo power structures - and all that requires networking, organisation and varying degrees of concrete planning beyond spontaneous actions, with varying degrees of secrecy.
Not believing in that even as a possibility can also become a self-fulfilling prophecy - of course the ones going out will be shot if most people stay home in face of violent repression. Meanwhile, it is understandable to have doubts - truth is that a lot of revolutionary movements are grown through bloodshed and escalation - a whole lot easier to make the decision to organise, ironically, if you are already being persecuted and friends are in prison or dead and you feel like the system you are in has nothing to give you, besides the non-guaranteed mercy to be allowed to live if they allow you to.
So, if you do want to do that, donāt go out on the street on your own, network with other people, accept that those organisations will not be perfect and that there will be setbacks and terror and hardships, but remind yourself that it is in fact historically proven for revolutions to not be an utterly lost cause.
Yeah GW essentially had an army
Before there was an an army there was a bunch of angry twentysomethings with PLENTY to lose putting their lives on the line.
Thatās not at all how it works. The point is to be ungovernableā¦the way all insurgents defeat the US military everywhere they go.
Defeat all armed forces everywhere they are. Evil is an equal opportunity employer.
Ideally in real life youād use guns and bombs instead of showing them a tattoo.