myrmepropagandistJun 26

Everyone keeps saying "Iran must not have a nuclear weapon."

And while this statement is something many people would agree with they aren't all agreeing for the same reasons.

The general public in the US is *scared* of "Nuclear Iran" (some bigotry informs this) --the war hawks aren't scared. They think they are playing chess, believe they can dictate the balence of power through "surgical*" force.

They have failed and we've watched it happen.

*there is nothing surgical about it

Show threadmyrmepropagandistJun 26

Many "scary" nations that don't like the US have horrible weapons. So what?

You will die because they close the dialysis clinic in your small town, not because of Iran.

These guys will cheerfully kill tens if not 100k civilians just to have the edge in negotiations about who makes money off the tankers and who gets the plumb trade deals.

The ideological battles are a smoke screen to make Americans scared enough to let them play risk with our lives.

Show threadmyrmepropagandistJun 26

And it's not even like losing economic dominance would make them poor. Just not as obscenely rich.

Every nation should be constantly engaged in the process of reducing the number of nuclear weapons on the planet.

Instead we keep demonstrating that nations that don't have such power will be manipulated, and ordered around, attacked without provocation.

Is the US public falling for it again?

We get NOTHING if this goes perfectly. And worse that nothing if it fails.

Show threadGeorge B

@futurebird

I keep thinking of how Ukraine gave up their nukes in the 90s in exchange for a treaty saying it's borders would be respected.

We all saw how that went. The lesson being taught everywhere is "you're not safe unless you have nukes" and that's such a terrible world to live in.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

Ukraine and weapons of mass destruction - Wikipedia

Jun 26 at 10:20amWeb
Show threadEm Jun 26
@gbargoud @futurebird this is sadly the world we live in. No matter which Nation, be it Ukraine or Israel, both states are threatened by neighbor(s) since they were created. Overbearing nationalism from the neighbors, either Russian Imperialism or anti-jewish and muslim nationalism on the other. Without Nukes, Ukraine is free game for Russia, and Israel would be for Egypt, Syria, Jordania and Iran.
Show threadLinebylineJun 26
@Em @gbargoud @futurebird Bit of a weird comparison given that what Russia is doing to Ukraine is basically the same thing Israel is currently doing to Palestine. The only major difference is that Russia can do it by itself but Israel needs to be bankrolled by Uncle Sam.