I agree that transgender care is the best solution we have at the moment. But I disagree with not investigating it as a neurological issue that might have other, also effective, avenues for treatment with ultimately the person choosing which treatment is best for them. Hell the declassification of gender dysphoria as a mental health issue was politically motivated without sufficient evidence to prove that in some cases gender dysphoria might not simply be its own thing rather than a symptom.

If progressives adopted this stance, they might be able to make some inroads with the general population. But once you start dismissing every probe into the issue as erasure or transphobia, people are just gonna trust their gut instincts because they can see that the rhetoric is only using science as it is convenient to its immediate goals. In fewer words, it seems sus.

The only reason it's an "issue" is because fucking idiots make it an issue.

If it's a "neurological issue" that might have "other avenues for treatment," those avenues for treatment are ones that should be applied to the fucking idiots to get them to stop being fucking idiots. They're the ones with neurological issues that cause problems for themselves and others.

Yeah that’s about the kind of nuanced response I expected this comment would receive.

One person, just going about their day, not hurting anyone.

Another person, deciding that the first person is "unnatural" (Narrator: They are not unnatural), screams and hollers about it.

You: "Well, the first person has a neurological issue."

???

I didn’t say it is a neurological issue. I say it could be one, and it needs to be investigated as to whether it is or not.

You're splitting hairs, and you're still dead wrong. It's the same as suggesting that people who don't adhere to your chosen religion could have neurological issues, based only on that observation.

The observation is that humans, barring any genetical defects of any kind have one of two sexes: male or female, and they generally feel comfortable with the genitals attached to their bodies. The fact that a very small percentage of people are born differently infers that there might be a root cause because every single thing that happens in our bodies and minds has a biological root.

Religion itself as a set of rules and systems has its origins in response to curiosity, whose biological roots we do not know entirely but could be an evolutionary adaptation. After it satisfies curiosity it also becomes a system for social order.

Do I need to write an essay from every rebuttal you might have? Or can you accept that point blank we should be investigating, if not into the interest of treatment but in the interest of pure knowledge itself where and why this thing happens?

The observation is that humans, barring any genetical defects of any kind have one of two sexes: male or female, and they generally feel comfortable with the genitals attached to their bodies.

That's wrong twice. Most people are born with distinct male or female genitalia. Some are not. There is no "genetical defect" involved in any case.

Investigating for understanding is always welcome. You're presupposing that something is "wrong" with people who either don't have distinctly identifiable genitalia, or whose brains and physical features don't align like you think they should. There is nothing wrong with those people.

You’re being intellectually dishonest. If someone is born with 4 fingers in one hand, we know it’s a defect. If someone is born without genitals we know it’s a defect. Especially if it affects their proper functioning.

If there was nothing wrong with being transgender they wouldn’t suffer great psychological pain and they wouldn’t require extensive medical treatment in order to physically align themselves with their perceived self in such a way that is not possible without modern day medicine. If this was not a medical condition of some sort there would be a biological adaptation that allowed people to change ther genitalia like many animals do.

But look I won’t engage in this argument further, once the mental gymnastics and the picking and twisting of every word starts I’m out. It’s not arguing in good faith, it’s simply turtling up to avoid engaging with the self evident realities.

I know why you do it, but it’s not gonna help in the long run.

Trans people, like gay people faced suicide because their family and society being assholes to them. When trans people are supported their rate of suicide fall off.