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This viral video has people talking about Christianity versus ‘MAGA Christianity’

https://lemmy.world/post/31654855

This viral video has people talking about Christianity versus ‘MAGA Christianity’ - Lemmy.World

“As a Christian, I don’t think you can be both MAGA and Christian,” one person wrote in the comments of the video. Two weeks ago, Jen Hamilton, a nurse with a sizable following on TikTok and Instagram, picked up her Bible and made a video that would quickly go viral. “Basically, I sat down at my kitchen table and began to read from Matthew 25 while overlaying MAGA policies that directly oppose the character and nature of Jesus’ teachings,” she told HuffPost. In the comments of the video ― which currently has more than 8.6 million views on TikTok ― many (Christians and atheists alike) applauded Hamilton for using straight Scripture as a way of offering commentary. Others picked a bone with Christians who uncritically support Trump.

Jun 19, 2025 at 10:02amWeb
Show threadTransplantedSconieJun 19, 2025

And ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free - John 8:32

Also Trump wears diapers and smells horrible. Probably because he’s the anti-christ or a reasonable facsimile.

Show threadnkat2112Jun 19, 2025

Beautifully stated and thank you for the morning laugh!

I hope you don’t mind if I quote you from time to time. Have a great day.

Show threadsomehackerJun 19, 2025
The Bible is also abundantly clear about misogyny and homophobia (even in the New Testament). Skipping over those parts gives an evil book/religion a pass. Fuck Christianity.
Show threadGingaNingaJun 19, 2025
its always been about power and control. A population in fear of eternal damnation is easier to manipulate.
Show threadproleJun 19, 2025
Yup. Also condones slavery.
Show threadxyzzyJun 19, 2025
In the New Testament, that stuff all comes from Paul. In my opinion, Paul was the first modern Christian.
Show threadconditional_soupJun 19, 2025
Fuckin Paul, bro. Imo, evangelicals worship him as their savior way more than Jesus
Show threadkromemJun 19, 2025

Yep. It’s also kinda curious how many boxes Paul ticks of the comments about a false deceiver in 2 Thess 2.

  • Lawless? (1 Cor 9:20 - “though not myself under the law”)
  • Used signs and wonders to convert? (2 Cor 12:12 - “I did many signs and wonders among you”)
  • Used wickedness? (Romans 3:8 - "And why not say (as some people slander us by saying that we say), “Let us do evil so that good may come”?)
  • Proclaimed himself in God’s place? (1 Cor 4:15 - “I am your spiritual father”)
  • Set himself up at the center of the church? Well, the fact we’re talking about this is kinda proof in the pudding for his influence.

Sounds like they were projecting a bit with that passage.

Show threadfrezikJun 20, 2025

There’s a defensible argument that Paul invented Christianity. Jesus (whoever he was historically) does not appear to have intended to produce a separate religion from Judaism. Paul did that.

It’s not a complete slam dunk, but even if you don’t buy it, it’s still very apparent that Paul was the central figure in shaping what Christianity would become.

Show threadconditional_soupJun 20, 2025
Yeah, it’s very clear that Jesus taught with a very heavy emphasis on Judaism, and had no intention whatever of applying his teaching to gentiles. You don’t really see that happening until after his death.
Show threadredsandJun 19, 2025
The homophobia was likely a mistranslation. The misogyny isn’t though. It’s not evil in and of it’s self. It’s stupid and useful for controlling the stupid. Still fuck it but fuck the Baptists extra deep
Show threadsomehackerJun 19, 2025
“Likely” is a pretty strong statement when scholars aren’t in agreement (based on en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romans_1, I did not read a bunch of articles myself). Saying it’s not evil when it advocates for evil things doesn’t track for me, but it seems we’re on the same page about Christianity in general.
Romans 1 - Wikipedia

Show threadredsandJun 19, 2025
From my understanding of the argument the Leviticus line is probably wrong in the King James versions and the opposition are mostly against mistranslations existing conceptually. Haven’t read in a long while though. It’s a tool mostly bad people pick up. Those who seek power, etc, etc…
Show threadLaserJun 19, 2025
I don’t think this thread is about whether the Bible is a valid moral/ ethical guideline nowadays, but rather if the actions of those who pretend to follow it match it. Which it doesn’t.
Show threadsomehackerJun 19, 2025

You seem to have missed my point. The Bible is the holy book for Christianity, and because it’s clear on things like homophobia and misogyny we can state that Christianity is pro those things. When people say that MAGA Christians are not behaving like real Christians, they are being dishonest and putting a pretty face on an evil thing. Their actions help keep the bronze age bullshit bad people use to justify their behavior around.

I’m very tired of the general societal belief that Christianity is actually good and some people are just doing it wrong. Christianity is bad. Its effects on our society are bad. We would be better off if it (and religion in general) went away.

Show threadLaserJun 19, 2025
Maybe they do behave like real Christians in that regard, but not in others, which for a religion is enough to not be in line with it, it’s not a choose your own adventure
Show threadphutatoriusJun 20, 2025
This would be a much easier argument if the Bible were less self-contradictory.
Show threadfrezikJun 20, 2025

Even that being true, it’s readily apparent that Christians always choose which scriptures to highlight. The fundamentalist ones will say you must take the whole bible or nothing, but that’s not how they behave. Not at all.

Let’s assume the homophobic translation of Romans 1 is the correct one. Is any given Christian talking about that, or are they talking about being kind to the poor, pointing out the hypocrisy of religious leaders, or that the literal, obvious interpretation of “rich men can’t get through the eye of a needle” is the correct one? There’s so many scriptures they could be highlighting, and it’s conspicuous that they choose to make a homophobic one really, really important to them.

MAGA Christians tend to get very angry if you point this out. The usual responses are along the lines of “you only know a few cherry picked scriptures as talking points” or “you atheists would burn alive if you actually read the bible”.

Show threadMaple EngineerJun 19, 2025
I watched several of her videos. As an atheist I find her position refreshing.
Show threadthe_riviera_kidJun 19, 2025

I always laugh when I hear shit like this, there is an old german saying my father taught me. “When there are 9 Nazis at a table, and you go sit with them, there are 10 Nazis at the same table”.

If you are sharing the same church with them then you are sharing the same ideology.

Show threadhenfredemarsJun 19, 2025
It’s a crying shame that I’ve had to do the same with some of my extended family. They’ve gone ultra MAGA and I’m sorry I cannot support you when you want to harm others.
Show threadthe_riviera_kidJun 19, 2025

I lost a childhood friend to the MAGA cult. It sucks, I knew him since elementary school. He slowly became angrier, then he one day was just all out hateful saying the most vile hateful crap he could and I just cut ties completely.

The stupidest part is I heard through someone else that “he has no idea why I wont talk to him”. I didn’t ghost him, I told him to his face on my way out his door for the last time that “I will not tolerate hatred, never speak to me again.”

I suspect most of maga are the same way, they know full well what a massive piece of shit they are, the problem is that they are proud of it.

Show threadjjjalljsJun 19, 2025

That always reminds me of the “missing missing reasons” post. It’s about estranged parents specifically, but I think the behavior shows up elsewhere. People’s ego is too fragile to let them remember or admit some details, and their emotions are creating their whole reality.

www.issendai.com/…/missing-missing-reasons.html

The Missing Missing Reasons | Issendai.com

Members of estranged parents' forums often say their children never gave them any reason for the estrangement, then turn around and reveal that their children did tell them why. But the reasons their children give—the infamous missing reasons—are missing. This article examines the phenomenon and offers some explanations for why it happens.

Show threadSam, The ManJun 19, 2025
This is an absolutely fascinating read; as someone with parents that tread a very thin line this is an incredible validation of what I’ve observed. And with multiple examples.
Show threadZinkJun 19, 2025

Damn, that is incredible. I am somebody who comes from a conservative white religious family. I am not estranged from them and we actually have a good relationship, but I do keep them at a certain distance because of it.

But while the estrangement context is unfamiliar to me, all of the issues discussed absolutely ring true.

The whole “emotion creates reality” versus “reality creates emotion” thing is a fantastic was to phrase it. I think that simple description might hit the nail on the head for what the hell is going on with conservatives/religious constantly trying to fuck up the world and having ridiculous beliefs.

It also speaks a lot to narcissism, which does admittedly go hand in hand with the whole conservative need for social hierarchy and the expectation that oneself is obviously at the top.

Show threadCileTheSaneJun 20, 2025

I am not estranged from them and we actually have a good relationship, but I do keep them at a certain distance because of it.

Well according to OP: seeing as you have not cut them out of your life completely, you are sitting at the table with Nazis.

Show threadItdidnttrickledownJun 19, 2025
I haven’t seen that page before but its the way things are. My parents died last year and I didn’t go to their funerals. They of course had a opportunity to reach out but doing so would have been an admission that they had done something wrong. I had a couple of their flying monkeys come at me from time to time. I just call them fools and move on with my life. That is what you have to do. You will never get resolution from narcs. They can never see any wrong they do as wrong. They will never seek help because they fear it.
Show threadZombieJun 19, 2025

Are you me?

I had a very similar experience, except it involved them running after me and trying to punch me in the face, after I’d walked 5 minutes down the street.

Then a few weeks later they messaged an “apology” saying we’re both to blame that things got out of hand.

Fuck Trump, fuck Farage, fuck Republicans, fuck Reform, fuck racists, fuck hatred, fuck intolerance. I just want my dumb, funny, stoner friend back, but that’s not possible now that he’s a hate filled arsehole.

Show threadthe_riviera_kidJun 19, 2025
I was genuinely sad when it happened. I miss my friend he was a fun goofy guy, I just deal with it as if he died because it hurts less than knowing hes become everything he hated.
Show threadMaeveJun 19, 2025

30But their scribes and Pharisees murmured against his disciples, saying, Why do ye eat and drink with publicans and sinners? 31And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick. 32I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Luke 5

Show threadthe_riviera_kidJun 19, 2025
They aren’t repenting and don’t consider themselves sinners.
Show threadzloubidaJun 19, 2025
So Jesus didn’t come for them.
Show threadJaxJun 19, 2025
You do understand that acceptance… is the point…
Show threadgrueJun 19, 2025
Like tolerance, acceptance is a social contract.
Show threadJaxJun 19, 2025

What I’m saying is that Christians will accept MAGA because that is the point of Christianity.

Sinners are sinners waiting to be saved.

Edit: I’m not Christian.

Show threadthe_riviera_kidJun 19, 2025
Hate is never acceptable.
Paradox of tolerance - Wikipedia

Show threadJaxJun 19, 2025

And what I’m saying is that Christians will accept hateful people because they believe God’s love will change them.

So… yes, acceptance is kind of the point.

Show threadthe_riviera_kidJun 19, 2025
Ah, I see what you are saying now. I assumed you were just another apologist, my bad.
Show threadJaxJun 19, 2025
No, former Christian disillusioned with Christians. Easy mistake to make, though — I understand you.
Show threadBasic GlitchJun 19, 2025

Red-Letter Christians

Red-Letter Christians is a non-denominational movement within Evangelical Christianity. “Red-Letter” refers to New Testament verses and parts of verses printed in red ink, to indicate the words attributed to Jesus without the use of quotation marks.

The organization was founded by Tony Campolo and Shane Claiborne in 2007 with the aim of bringing together evangelicals who believe in the importance of insisting on issues of social justice mentioned by Jesus (in red in some translations of the Bible). They believe Christians should be paying attention to Jesus’s words and example by promoting biblical values such as social justice issues. These issues include the fight against poverty, the defense of peace, building strong families, respecting human rights and welcoming foreigners.

Red-Letter Christians - Wikipedia

Show threadthe_riviera_kidJun 19, 2025
Or, you know, Just don’t be a dick. It’s really not that hard.
Show threadSturgistJun 19, 2025

It’s really not that hard.

It would seem like it’s pretty fucking hard.

Show threadthe_riviera_kidJun 19, 2025
Everyone I associate with doesn’t seem to struggle with it.
Show threadSturgistJun 19, 2025
Same here, but we’re clearly not MAGA Nazi Jackboot crayon munchers eh?
Show threadfaythofdragonsJun 19, 2025
On the other hand, I have known many hard dicks in the past.
Show threadthe_riviera_kidJun 19, 2025
LOL, but at these those can be fun.
Show threadCileTheSaneJun 20, 2025
Right, don’t be that.
Show thread0opsJun 19, 2025
Phrasing
Show threadgrueJun 19, 2025
Show threadzloubidaJun 19, 2025
There are more than one church.
Show threadSreudianFlipJun 19, 2025
The kid said “churches”. It’s right there.
Show threadzloubidaJun 19, 2025
But it was a generalization all the same. Who says there are MAGAists in the church of the person who commented that one can’t be Christian and MAGA?
Show threadSreudianFlipJun 19, 2025
Grammar. I can’t parse what you are trying to say, but I am going to guess that it is a defence of Paulism.
Show threadzloubidaJun 19, 2025

Sorry, English, as you probably understood, is not my first language. But I think my idea is quite simple: asking all Christians to eject the MAGA from their churches is like asking all Muslims to eject terrorists from their mosques, or all Jews to stop supporting the Gaza genocide. A lot already do, so that demand makes no sense, and is just bigotry.

So, when someone posts: “As a Christian, I don’t think you can be both MAGA and Christian,” answering saying that all people eating with Nazis are Nazis makes no sense and is bigotry, as the author of the comment doesn’t necessarily prays with people supporting Trump. They even probably doesn’t.

Show threadSreudianFlipJun 19, 2025

This is a terrible statement on ethics, or an excellent condemnation of organized faith under authority.

You can choose a mosque or church or temple, or choose not to associate at all where the common practice is to include unrepentant authoritarians.

The basic lesson of the 20th century, for all humanity, is to tolerate all behaviour except the oppressive and, ironically, the intolerant.

Show threadzloubidaJun 20, 2025
I’m sorry, my English must suck quite more than I knew: my message is in favour of kicking the oppressive and intolerant. The thing I oppose is to consider by default that the Christian who published the Tik Tok comment tolerated the MAGA Christian, when they probably didn’t.
Show threadphutatoriusJun 20, 2025

is like asking all Muslims to eject terrorists from their mosques, or all Jews to stop supporting the Gaza genocide

Both of those are perfectly reasonable things to ask.

Show threadCileTheSaneJun 20, 2025
Members of the Presbyterian Church are supposed to kick people out of a Baptist Church?
Show threadSreudianFlipJun 21, 2025

In English, “you” can refer to an individual or a group.

Apply the group in this context. Each member of a group taking care of their individual mandate of responsibility is collective action.

So no, to your question, no-one meant that.

Show threadCileTheSaneJun 21, 2025
So if this nurse’s Church doesn’t welcome Nazi’s then they’re good and not to be vilified? How do we know that isn’t the case?