[Video] Missiles barrage hits Tel Aviv

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I’d have ever so much more sympathy if they hadn’t just spent over a year genociding Palestine…

You know, the reason we have sympathy for Palestinian civilians is because they’re not responsible for the actions of Hamas on Oct 7, even if many of them were brainwashed to be happy about the massacre. Please apply the same logic to sympathizing with civilians who are not responsible for Likud’s actions, a large proportion of whom have also been protesting against the party in the past year.

The current Israeli administration is ruthless and bloodthirsty and it’s diminishing the should of it’s people. That being said, I don’t think any major power in the world, including China and Russia are sad to see Iran’s nuclear program get set back.

We support Hamas, and we support its brave fight against the colonialism, we feel bad about them because we support the colonized against the colonizer, now gtfo
I am staunchly anti-colonization and support resistance against oppression. I also believe there are people who are innocent and who have no choice in where they’re born or where their parents move them to, who generally go about life fairly normally with all the complexity (and tacit complicity) human life and circumstance brings–civilians. I do not support what Hamas did on Oct 7 and I certainly don’t support what the IDF has done in Gaza over the last year or the ongoing settlement in the West Bank. You and I live on the same planet and I will love your right to life always, but I will not gtfo just because I disagree with unfettered self-righteous bloodlust.
I fully support a million oct.7
For an instance nominally based on worker solidarity and elevating the proletariat, everyone sure is pretty quick to throw that out the window for tribalism and nationalism
There’s no such thing as a settler proletariat or worker, 50% of work as IDF the other 50% work as police

Here’s a fun fact, did you know that 65 other countries also have mandatory military service, including Iran? Being a class traitor by the law of the state doesn’t make you not proletariat.

Abandoning massive chunks of workers based only on their place of birth or the bubble of propoganda they live in is the opposite of every reputable leftist ideology. If your empathy for the people crushed under the rubble of an apartment complex depends on the flag out front then just admit you’re a frothing nationalist and stop pretending.

Here’s a fun fact, most Israelis—bourgeois and proletariat—approve of what the state of Israel is doing in Gaza.

These are fascists. If there’s anything to be learned from WWII, it’s that no one is more antifascist than communists.

If your empathy for the people crushed under the rubble of an apartment complex depends on the flag out front then just admit you’re a frothing nationalist and stop pretending.

Palestinians don’t have a nation. They’ve been under occupation by European settler-colonists for about 80 years.

Palestinians have the right under UN law to struggle against their occupiers by any means necessary, including armed struggle, while the State of Israel, as an occupier, has no right to “self defense.”

As for Iran, it is an anti-imperialist state retaliating against an unprovoked attack by an imperialist state, which it has the right to do by UN law. Marxist-Leninists give Iran our critical support[^1] in the struggle against imperialist states, not to mention the struggle against genocide.

[^1]: Critical support is supporting something while also being critical of its flaws.

Palestinian right of armed resistance - Wikipedia

Holy fuck you don’t even know what a nation is lmfao

If there’s anything to be learned from WWII, it’s that no one is more antifascist than communists.

If you knew anything about WW2, you’d know that strategic bombing of population centers was a futile effort that wasted lives. Allies and Axis both admitted it, and the Allies even stuck to day bombing to limit collateral damage.

I’ve been asking up and down this thread for any context on what these bombs hit, any evidence at all, and all I get is equivocation like yours.

Your “critical support” isn’t very critical at all, it’s pretty one dimensional. Isreal bombs a population center: bad. Iran bombs an Isreal population center: good. I’ve seen no depth beyond that.

Holy fuck you don’t even know what a nation is lmfao

I do, actually, but since you were the one talking about nations’ flags, I assumed that you didn’t know the difference between a nation and a state. Israeli Zionists clearly do know the difference, and they want an ethnically-cleaned, “Greater Israel” nation-state. Because they’re settler-colonialists; they’re fascists.

Allies even stuck to day bombing to limit collateral damage.

No, they did it in order to hit their targets, which were often cities. The US also dropped two atomic bombs on city centers with no warning at all.

Isreal bombs a population center: bad. Iran bombs an Isreal population center: good.

Obviously neither one is “good.” You’re putting words in my mouth.

It’s Time to Confront Israel’s Version of “From the River to the Sea”

Far from being a mere slogan, the phrase captures both the longtime ambitions of the Israeli right and the reality Israel has imposed on Palestine since 1967.

The Nation

You’re just wildly incorrect on all fronts here.

since you were the one talking about nations’ flags

A nation is not a nation state, and a population doesn’t have to be a sovereign state to have a flag.

No, they did it in order to hit their targets, which were often cities.

Exactly, to limit collateral damage. Germany (and the RAF’s night bombing, to be fair) also targeted cities with strategic war industries, they just cared more about their pilots’ safety than civilian lives.

You’re putting words in my mouth.

I’m not at all, I’m pointing out the lack of criticism for clips like the one above. There’s not even reserved judgment until we know what got hit and who died, just full throated support based only on the name of the city being bombed. I’m the only one here wanting evidence that these attacks are targeting anything of value and limiting non combatant deaths.

Remember when Israel was criticized for half-hearted pamphlet dropping to warn of barrages? All the scorn at Israel’s reports of the use of human shields? The outrage over bombing population centers and refugee camps allegedly hiding rockets? Zionists saying Palestinians deserved bombing because they elected Hamas and had parties celebrating Oct 7 and X% of Palestines supported Y?

I’m seeing the exact same comments in reverse. Just read the comments on this post. But this time nobody bats an eye because the “right” people are dying.