ProMinnesota House speaker, her husband shot and killed in 'assassination'
n3m37h100% a Drumpf supporter
Wangari MaathaiMaybe. Maybe not. They are saying suspect was appointed by Tim Walz. They also found anti-trump signs in car. Could be just to throw people off the scent, or maybe just a personal thing thing against people. We don’t know. Regardless of what size shooter is on, it’s not good for any political parties, but it’s just gonna cause more dissent and division.
I remember when Trump got shot at people here we celebrating and saying things like “Oh wish he had better aim.” Now it’s happened to Democrats and people here are saying how terrible it is.
Shooting political people is never a good thing, regardless of what party they are in. Lemmy needs to stop celebrating shootings when it happens to people they don’t like. Because stuff is also happening to people they do like. Violence is never the answer and always just ends up badly.
Sometimes violence is the answer, actually. What would you do to hitler before the genocide if you knew what would happen?
KoboldCoterieI kind of hate the ‘Violence is never the answer’ rhetoric. Violence should not be the first course of action, nor is it a desirable one to have to resort to, but sometimes there’s simply not another reasonable way to resolve a problem.
Which is probably the exact thought process this shooter had. And he followed through. Do you think that’s a good thing?
You’re straw manning. Please don’t.
Recognizing that violence has in fact “been the answer” to various circumstances in the past, and will be in the future, is different from saying everyone should pick up a gun today.
You’re straw manning. Please don’t.
No, I’m not. I’m advocating non-violence. Disagree all you want. That’s fine. You do what you wanna.
Let’s say, hypothetically, there’s a mass shooting in progress. Literally a gunman shooting people in the street. How are you going to solve that situation with non-violence?
Another hypothetical. There’s someone with the detonator to a bomb that’s planted in a full stadium. You have a gun. If you don’t shoot them, they will detonate the bomb. Are you still advocating for pacifism?
You can’t make a statement like ‘Violence is never the answer’ if you’re not willing to apply it to these situations, too, so is your position that it’s better to let tens, hundreds or thousands of people die if the only way to prevent it is with violence?
The alternative, of course, is to acknowledge that sometimes, though regrettable, violence is the answer, and once we’ve established that, we can start examining where the line is where it becomes justified.
You live how you choose to, I’ll live the way I choose to. Violence is never the answer. There is no scenario where that will change for me. Not Hitler. Not babies. Not family. etc. Just so you know, I’m not the only pacifist in existence. There are many others like me in the world. Just not on Lemmy! lol
That’s well and fine, but if your honest opinion is that violence isn’t justified in even the above scenarios, I think you’re living in a fantasy world of idealism. If violence is being done, and you have the power to stop it (even through violence) but choose not to, you’re complicit in that violence.
I’ll also point out that this wasn’t a case where you were minding your own business and people started calling you out; you were the first one to reply in this comment chain. You opened the debate, and you seem very willing to criticize other peoples’ views, but when yours start to be examined critically, you seem to shy away.
That’s well and fine, but if your honest opinion is that violence isn’t justified in even the above scenarios, I think you’re living in a fantasy world of idealism.
I get to live how I want to. You get to live how you want to. Good luck on your journey.
I’ll also point out that this wasn’t a case where you were minding your own business and people started calling you out; you were the first one to reply in this comment chain.
I’ve never inferred anything different. I gave my opinion. People disagree. I’m fine with that. They haven’t changed my mind. I haven’t changed their mind. According to the modlog, some people went a bit too far and had comments removed for advocating violence. That’s how these things go. Lemmy has never been subtle in their extremism. Makes no difference in my life whatsoever and doesn’t upset me.
I also take comfort in the fact that most here aren’t going to do anything violent anyway, regardless of what they say they are going to to. That’s just a fact of society.
Opinions have been made known. I’ll stay on my same path. All good.
The real problem I have with this entire discussion is that (as you’ve been called out for here already), you’re basing it on a straw man. You’re taking statements like “Violence is sometimes the answer” and twisting that to mean “Violence is [often / always] the answer” or “Violence is the solution to the problem in this article”, and trying to paint your view as the moral high ground based on that misrepresentation. In fact, that’s the whole reason we’re even having this discussion, now - you did that to [i]my[/i] first comment in this chain. You’re trying to position other people as unreasonable and violent by misrepresenting their viewpoints.
You’re taking statements like “Violence is sometimes the answer” and twisting that to mean “Violence is [often / always] the answer”
No, I’m stating that my opinion is that it is never the answer. I haven’t changed my mind. People have have had comments here removed by the mods for “advocating violence.” So obviously some things about violence have been said that others have felt the need to remove.
I’m fine that you disagree. You haven’t changed your mind. I haven’t changed my mind. All good. Carry on how you want to live your life, and I’ll carry one with how I want to live mine.
trying to paint your view as the moral high ground
No, I gave my opinion. Which hasn’t changed. I am allowed to have a different opinion than you, and voice it. Just as you are allowed to have a different opinion than me, and voice it. We both have. So all good.
Let me wrap this up, so we can move on. I don’t care if every single Lemmy poster on the planet earth replies that they think violence is the answer or it sometimes the answer and downvotes me to oblivion. I don’t think violence is ever the answer. No matter the hitler, knife, nuke bomb, dinosaur time machine, black hole travels to every bad time period etc scenario. I’m not going to change my mind. You aren’t either. That’s fine. It’s Lemmy, it’s not real life.