Marcin Krzyzanowski
Don't follow Apple lead and do not, I beg you, do not make Settings like this. I don't plan to follow that language. it is objectively worse UX
Jun 9 at 9:02pmWeb
Show threadMarcin KrzyzanowskiJun 9
if that is not a design crime. I don't know what is
Show threadMarcin KrzyzanowskiJun 9
“The design is not just what it looks like and feels like. The design is how it works” — Steve Jobs
Show thread~/phranck Jun 9
@krzyzanowskim Holy crap! SO MANY clicks! 😒
Show threadDaniel IsaacJun 9
@krzyzanowskim What exactly is wrong with this UI? I'm not a designer, so I don't have the words to describe what I'm seeing.
Show threadKaitoJun 9

@dgi I'm not a designer but I'll tell you what I think: information density has been dramatically reduced. Settings have been paginated in a way that is more modal and makes for more literal work to accomplish the same task. As an aside, the website linked in your profile is 'not found'

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Show threadSörenJun 10

@dgi @krzyzanowskim I’d say two things bad about it:

• too much distance between labels and controls, because they’re aligned to opposite ends
• this really needs a third layer in the middle of the window. You keep going back and forth because the sidebar doesn’t adequately reveal the navigational hierarchy

Show threadNathan Manceaux-PanotJun 10

@dgi The biggest thing to me is about how you see a whole: before you could see all the configuration of a given trigger at a glance, and now you need to repeatedly navigate to explore it.

So that means it’s much harder to keep in your head (you need to build the mental model yourself during navigation, instead of having one presented to you, in one go) and means it’s a lot slower, since you need to click around a lot more.

Separating can be could to avoid info overload, but can be too much!

Show threadGregoryJun 9
@krzyzanowskim but I'm sure the code is now so beautiful because it's been rewritten in SwiftUI!
Show threadMarcin KrzyzanowskiJun 9
@grishka it is better now
Show threadKaitoJun 9
@krzyzanowskim a few extra clicks never hurt anyone 😈
Show threadMarcin KrzyzanowskiJun 9
@kai that setting could've been a json file, rly
Show threadIvan MirJun 9
@krzyzanowskim this is awful, but probably ✨ Easy-to-Build With SwiftUI™ ✨
Show threadyaygyaJun 10
@krzyzanowskim I remember reading once about how the original iPod was designed so all core functionalities could be accessed in just three clicks. It really seems like with the System Settings UI, they were trying to maximize the number of clicks.
Show threadsandor6d ago
@krzyzanowskim yuck looks like android studio
Show threadMarcel VossJun 9
@krzyzanowskim wait, that is real UI made by Apple? i thought that was a joke. 🫠
Show threadMarcin KrzyzanowskiJun 9
@marcelvoss it is real. and it is really bad
Show threadMarcel VossJun 9
@krzyzanowskim no way. what the fuck.
Show threadHuh, that's weird.Jun 10
@krzyzanowskim @marcelvoss Oh FFS.
Show threadKristoffer JohanssonJun 9
@krzyzanowskim yeah, it’s not great.
Show threadJohn BraytonJun 9

@krzyzanowskim When I try a new Mac app, one of the first things I do is check out the Settings window. I check whether it implements a standard Settings window, and whether it animates the resize when switching panes. I find that to be a good indicator of whether the app feels like a good Mac app.

I agree that the new style looks awful. Apple has apparently ignored the complaints about System Settings on Mac.