SLVRDRGN"You have no say in this at all. Federal law is supreme and federal law will be enforced."
Tony BarkSo much for “state’s rights.”
conditional_soupFascists are never to be taken seriously when they say that they’re very worried about protecting anything.
Another 5-10 years in power and they’ll legalize conversion therapy and honor killings against gay and trans kids and call it “parental rights”.
toomanypancakesI will be shocked if it takes that long.
It’ll be anyone with it a red hat on being chased down by then. Trump will be a full vegetable if not dead by then, and the Vance/Miller/Heritage crowd will have found a way to take absolute power. Otherwise the whole thing will collapse and we might have a shot at reclaiming the country.
You have a shot now, you’re just not taking it.
What kinda shot?
Me against a police force? We haven’t even got left wing militias out there, let alone the size it would take for a coup.
Cool, well you just take a seat and relax. You’ve clearly done everything you can. Someone will be along to save you any day now, I’m sure.
Time for the Sartre quote:
Never believe that anti-Semites fascists are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites fascists have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."
Irony & Stephen being an arch-ghoul notwithstanding, federal law does supercede state law (Art 6 Sec 2). Like, Nebraska couldn’t just legalize murder. It’s still federally illegal. They could stop enforcing that law, but it’d still be illegal and the federal gov’t could take action.
thanksforallthefishfederal law does supercede state law (Art 6 Sec 2)
Only to the extent that the Federal law is constitutional (ie within its powers) and valid
That’s a fair point. But it would need to be argued in the courts.
Mmm, maybe, I’m pretty sure there’s pretty solid case law precedent on this. It’s been heavily litigated over the centuries.
The parameters around what is within the jurisdiction of the US Federal govt is pretty clear. Fundamentally Article I, Section 8 of US Constitution although there’s a few other loose ends (implied powers).
“The enumerated powers listed in Article One include both exclusive federal powers, as well as concurrent powers that are shared with the states, and all of those powers are to be contrasted with reserved powers that only the states possess”
And “constitutionality” is defined by the Supreme Court…
Doh!
Yeah, the courts being captured is possibly the biggest problem facing the US right now. They’re what makes all the bad stuff the current regime is doing possible.
And to the extent that they are actually following the federal law, regardless of its constitutionality.
𝕱𝖎𝖗𝖊𝖜𝖎𝖙𝖈𝖍- Known Nazi and self described white supremacist, Stephen Miller
Seems like Steve is begging to be removed.
One way or another these people will be removed from power.
It’s a terrible system when fucking dorks who got bullied by classmates and never moved on get this kind of power. Some Latino kids beat him up or pantsed him or whatever and it’s been his mission to target the ethnicity of those who made his life as a teenager unpleasant rather than focusing on something more productive. We are being ruled by emotionally unstable babies who never got over whatever hardship occurred in their formative years and now see themselves as arbiters of retribution.
I agree with the sentiment… But it’s important to note that both Miller and Rogers led lives of relative privilege. We can imagine that they might have been bullied but they might also have been bullies. We do know that they were well off bros with pale skin. I think that’s part of what makes them so enraged - impotence despite great privilege.
The Feds aren’t even following federal law.
A 30+ felon who tried to overthrow the government, and stole enough classified docs to be imprisoned for millennia is the president.
There is no “federal law”. There is only a fascist dictatorship and the people.
kakistocracy
Learned a new word today. I’m keeping that one.
AkasazhI like stulitocracy too,
From stultus: stupid, silly, unwise, foolish
I think it’s the normalcy bias
Essentially, when a disaster is approaching, most people just don’t believe it. It’s a failure of the human brain to truly imagine such an insane deviation from normality is about to occur. Tornados, hurricanes, fires…
According to a 2001 study by sociologist Thomas Drabek, when people are asked to leave in anticipation of a disaster, most check with four or more sources of information before deciding what to do. The process of checking in, known as milling, is common in disasters… at least 70% of 9/11 survivors spoke with others before evacuating.
We are in the process of milling on a grand scale. The disaster is here, and the metaphorical plane has struck the tower, but until it actually feels real, until the floor starts shaking or you are standing on the streets of LA and watch a military vehicle full of heavily armed agents raid a goddamn restaurant and throw tear gas at bystanders… until then, most people just don’t believe it on an emotional level.
Intellectually, most people can recognize the problem, but emotionally, it feels like there’s still time to talk it over and pack a bag. Most people in a disaster of any scale won’t actually move until they are forced to move, and unfortunately that will be too late for some of them to survive.
Nice, if there’s ever a democratic president again, let’s use that precedent to completely fuck Texas and the other theocracies when they try to make bible shit into law again
Lmao they’ll change their tune very quickly if that happens
RedEye FlightControlNo they won’t, they’ll claim they’re being persecuted and play victim
gaslight, obstruct, project
You’re funny. We don’t change our tune in the south. We just claim that you’re singing it wrong.
Optimistic of you to assume their slogan won’t be “Let’s go back to normal.”
GhostalmediaThis has been the game for the GOP for decades. They cry “states rights” when they don’t have the presidency, then want the president to be a king when they have the presidency.
Texan here: I’ll bring the lube
Sorry, the senate parliamentarian will say it’s not allowed and so the dems will pout about it some then just settle for sending a strongly worded letter about the matter.
If there’s ever a non-trumpikan president of this country again they must declare the Republican party a fascist organization, its members arrested, its symbols hate speech, and ban everyone from supporting or promoting their ideas again. Anything less is, frankly, complicity with what’s happening now.
TropicalDingdongBiden could have arrested Trump on day one.
Democrats set this coarse.
I love how the liberals dreams of “revenge” are of not allowing others to be oppressed by some fucked up law.
I mean. I get it. Don’t get me wrong. But if the dream of liberals in power is just “things aren’t getting much worse for awhile” I really think we need to reprioritize.
My idea of left seizing power and being “authoritarian” is enacting universal healthcare, high speed rail, billionaires in jail, ending garbage AI waste, and much more material actions.
If our idea is just to “stick it” to some racist people in Texas I think we need to rethink that plan. I want those racist people in Texas to have all of the things above too. I want the material conditions to improve for everyone because I know that that is what helps to end these manufactured divisions of race, gender, or religion.
That’s a good quote democrats should use if they’re ever back in power.
samus12345Sorry, all they’re offering is furrowed brows and strongly worded letters.
Stephen Miller is a Nazi and a terrorist.
Martial Law June 14
greenfireAfter all it’s Taco’s birthday week
The party of “state’s rights”.
You can start rehearsing the rebel yell sounds of popcorn, sorry, of gulping and smell of jasmine tea in my room
HEXN3TOh, but I do have a say.
The party of “small government”, trampling over the rights of the state of California, one of the largest economies in the world.
Anarchy is the supreme law and will remain as such till heat death of the universe.
Try to hard to enforce your own and whatever order you thought you had will collapse.
In slightly different words: “Federal law is supreme” says who? Federal law?
Whether you mean it or not you’re basically saying that the only order is the order of the strong over the weak.
Its a part of it but there are many ways to define strenght.
Strenght can be numbers, it can be witt, it can also be non corporale like “global warming” winning because we are being devided
In a hypotethical situattion where i am being chased i am not stopping for a red light. But this has little to do with strength.
Every entity has within the freedom to act on its own and law is a mutual agreement at best.
Is it not? We all collectively agree to cede the state a monopoly on (legal) violence to enforce the law.
Yeah but if it’s a universal truth then it transcends all categories. The stronger nation topples the weaker while the bully dominates others in the schoolyard. Therefore any semblance of egalitarianism or equality is artificial and sustained only by the threat of force. This force only exists if there are enough intelligent and strong people in the society that also agree to the social contract in enough numbers that it won’t collapse or be conquered by an outside force. (e.g. Brute force is all that matters)
I’d argue military force and threatening posture has been a large part of the USA foreign policy and diplomacy for the entire existence of the nation.
I get what you’re saying and yeah I honestly think the world we live in, stripping away all sense of morality, is one where “might makes right.”
Dead people do not argue. I’m not saying I think it should be that way or it’s good, only that it’s the way things work even if it does suck.
I agree with you. Having the power to exert your will is what politics boils down to in this earthly life. Everything else is BS.
There are ways to survive without doing that. Most will do that though, because they already are. The oppressed would rather exploit each other than the system, because of the few that made the news, it didn't go very well. For those that didn't, enforcement apparatus was well-paid.
Then by OPs logic it would follow that the oppressed are only in that position because they are weak. (e.g. not temporarily disenfranchised revolutionaries) If they were “strong” they would be in the oppressors position.
Life isn't black and white, you know?
Cop out
That's pretty callow, imo.
Is water good or bad? Are you drowning, or thirsty? Maybe you're swimming. Maybe it's in water where raw sewage or chemical waste is dumped. Maybe it's pristine and you accidentally swallow some, but now you have cholera because an infected animal eliminated in that spot. Maybe it's full of microplastics.
Instead, maybe you can picture life questions as one of those color picker sliders, and the slider can move infinitely in any direction.
You are really beating up that strawman. He doesn’t stand a chance.
I searched for a post but couldn't find it now, and it's too bad because it addresses exactly this mindset, but basically talked about how liberalism boils everything down to a zero sum game, among the general populace.
Somehow, the masses never develop enough unity to take that zero sum game to the ultrawealthy and global corporations.