What's something you once had a lot of respect for but now have no respect for?
Original question by @[email protected] [/u/[email protected]] [https://lemmy.world/u/zachimusprime44]
When did any religion deserve respect?
Sure, respect the person (to a point), but not the belief in fairytales
Same goes for any superstitious woo
They do good despite their superstition, not because of it
They’d be just as capable of doing good things without their invisible sky-daddy
Religious groups also do horrific things every day.
Religion is used to justify the worst things
People will always find a way to excuse their shitty behaviour, but religion gets something of a free pass because too many people want their cosmic insurance policy, so they forgive the evils of religion
How do you know any of them would do any of the good things they do without religion guiding them?
Non religious groups do horrific things every day.
Numerous things are used to justify atrocities including our global economic structures, education systems, etc.
No matter what people will do horrendous things and justify them however they see fit. Religious people do good and evil because of their faith and they are no different than anyone else doing those things for their own reasons.
They’re dumber, because they believe in the patently absurd
That’s the difference
Bigotry is hating someone for an aspect of themselves that they can’t change, like their sexuality, their skin colour, where they were born etc.
Religion is a choice
I don’t hate religious people
But I refuse to respect their beliefs any more than I do a flat-earther, or anti-vaxxer
I don’t hate the religious
I just don’t respect their beliefs
You have a great day
they are no different than anyone else doing those things for their own reasons
They are absolutely different, because in some religions, devotion is rewarded or promised heavily in the afterlife, which creates a great incentive. These people are more likely to become radicalized or extremists, often going out of their way to impose their worldview on others through harassment and aggression. Although I could easily point to radical Islamists, I can also point to Mother Theresa, who inflicted so much pain on others when she thought she was doing good. She said suffering is what God intended and so she did.
And let me point out cults. They are overwhelmingly religious, using that imagery to win people over and oppress them all at once because they know a large swathe of people will be unwaveringly loyal and just as exposed when they feel personally connected to a higher being. They take the most effective parts of religion to control people and apply them to exploit and profit. And it works wonders because religion is already in that exploitative format.
Religious people do good and evil because of their faith and they are no different than anyone else doing those things for their own reasons.
They are absolutely different, because in some major religions, devotion is rewarded or promised heavily in the afterlife, which creates a great incentive. These people are more likely to become radicalized or extremists, often going out of their way to impose their worldview on others through harassment, aggression, or influence. I’ll point to Mother Theresa, who inflicted so much pain on others when she thought she was doing good, often withholding pain medicine and other treatments. She said suffering is what God intended, and so she did… unto others.
There you go.
I want to specify that I’m taking about all the dominant religions in the West with known charities like the Salvation Army. I don’t particularly know or care about the Hare Krishna who gather downtown once a year offering free food with an ulterior motive and practically no noticeable social impact for anyone other than themselves, for example.
I don’t think I could talk about all religions in the world, but I can safely talk about major trends and commonalities. That does not make me ignorant.
A federal grand jury today charged the leader of the Mexico-based La Luz del Mundo megachurch with two felony counts alleging he produced and possessed child sexual abuse material (CSAM) depicting a 16-year-old victim.
Oh, of course I don’t.
My point was not to say that non religious people are all saints, but to balance out your previous point where you praised religion without nuance.
Of course the common denominator is people. And it’s pretty easy to see how religion is a powerful tool for these people to do evil, wouldn’t you say?
I never praised religion without nuance, I gave praise where praise was due when the topic is “When has religion ever deserved respect”. Your point is moot because a bad portion of a group does not make the whole group bad, and does not change my point that religious groups do have reasons to be respected.
People doing good is respectable wouldn’t you say?
Sure, but religion arguably does just as bad if not worse in all kinds of areas.
It touches on everything from the warped understanding of the world, to superficial gestures of kindness for loyalty in return, to substituting health care with dangerous consequences, to giving criminals a clear conscience, it promotes hateful group thinking, subjects their followers to paths of radicalization or extremism, it both promotes & is used as a tool for suppression and subjugation of others, etc, etc. Yes, religion can be good, but the underbelly is hideous.
Well, how about we flip it: why are secular organizations not recognized for the work they do? I mean, why are religious institutions getting all the credit as if they were inherently more virtuous?
The only advantage religion has is its active community that propels initiatives as part of a grand ideal. I don’t think the actual work would go undone if the project had already been established from the overwhelming support of an existing secular community. Helping others is, after all, human nature.
Numerous secular organizations get credit for the work they do. Religious isn’t more virtuous.
Go cry about your feelings elsewhere
I meant new secular organizations that need to win people over. Religious organizations have the benefit of winning people over with a religious symbol alone.
Go cry about your feelings elsewhere
I think you got emotional and started projecting. Don’t get confused now and start breaking rule 1.
Nope not emotional, just tired of your whining about how secular organizations get no credit and religious get it without asking even though there is a pile of evidence to the contrary, and I told you to take it elsewhere.
Apologies if that hurt your feelings.
Oh, now it’s whining! First, I’m emotional, but then you realize that backfires, and now I’m whining.
And my feelings are hurt. 😂
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