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MyDarkestTimeline01Hi, I’m respectable conservative. I am deeply sorry that you are having to deal with the worse version of us.
[deleted] in lemmyTrump is just the honest version of a regular conservative.
You read the meme champ?
Sidhean"The meme said I’m a good guy, so I must be“
PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S [he/him]Hi I’m also a respectable conservative, I want to melt the working poor for biomass but in a respectable way /s
Redwhat does being a “respectable conservative” actually entail?
That’s an oxymoron.
festnthi respectable conservative, i’m fest
anyway everyone has a different meaning for “conservative” so can you explain your views in politics?
hi, i’m a trans woman. fuck your respectability, you are giving cover to those who drove me from my home and continue to pose an existential threat to me and all those like me. your ideology is poison and putting a “nice” face on it and pretending that should make it all hunky dory is some seriously craven shit.
P4ulin_KbanaYou don’t even know this person, we’re not even sure if they’re indeed like the others. All of this polarizing won’t help your country, if people keep treating others as scum just for supporting a different side.
bless your heart, you really haven’t learned yet have you?
TotallynotJessicaHonestly, I’d abandon the label of conservative at this point and just broadly define yourself as a liberal. It’s what separates the “traditional conservatives” that didn’t stand with Trump from the now fascists who did; they value the system of liberal democracy that this country was founded on. They wanted conservative policy, but through democratic means, whereas fascists favor winning by any means necessary.
Granted, I also don’t respect liberals very much, as they refuse to sacrifice capitalism to maintain their own system, but being a liberal is what separates non-fascist “conservatives” from fascists. As conservatism is hierarchical, it’s very easy for it to leave liberalism behind.
fucking wild i have to block a 196er and get a twofer with Darkest Twatline over here admitting to being a spaz
Norah (pup/it/she)wild i have to block someone that purports to be anti-conservative for using a word like “sp*z” as if it’s not problematic
I had no idea what that meant until I looked it up. That’s definitely reprehensible. Still, I’m not a native speaker so the tone and meaning of the comment you are replying to weren’t quite clear.
It’s honestly up there as being as bad as the r slur.
Fuck spez.
I’m blocked lmao?
kittenzrulz123“Kind” Germans vs bad Germans during the Holocaust:
Oxysis/OxyRemember kids be like the Bohemians (the couple who resisted the Nazis during WW2)
There were some 800.000 Germans arrested for “resistance activities” during WW2, and tens of thousands were executed for it.
Now, I’m not saying those were all good people, but there were at least some good Germans. But terrifyingly few.
They weren’t “moderate” conservatives, they were mostly leftists
That’s probably almost entirely true. I’m willing to bet the worst thing a lot of those 800k did was “be communist”.
Gold_E_Loxi really wanna ask some questions, genuinely in good faith as it seems you may misunderstand how politics affects real peoples lives.
would you be friends with them if they were racist, just not around you?
would you be friends with them if they were queerphobic, just not around you?
would you be friends with them if they voted for, and supported, politicians willing and ready to take away your rights or the rights of others?
why would you want to interact with someone who disagrees with peoples rights to live?
this is assuming you are a member of some minority (queer, of color, etc.) if you arent, then i guess i understand.
This is a revamping of the meme about gay people that was complaining about looking colorful, caring about LGBTQ rights, mentioning their partners in conversation the same way straight people do, and maybe having a lisp? It’s thankfully been a long time since I saw it.
You’re right, but I don’t think the OP actually means it, they’re just trying to flip the script on conservatives. I’m not the OP though, so I could be wrong
idk if that makes it worse, but it definately doesnt make it better.
kateconservatives i respect:
- Louis Rossmann
Guy Named ZEROIs he a conservative??? I never would’ve guessed that lol
He said it in one video, but can’t remember when. But if you never could’ve guessed it, then it shouldn’t change your opinion on him.
I think there are political views that, even if privately held, should change your opinion of someone. “Conservative” is nebulous, so knowing exactly that much and nothing else about someone’s views doesn’t tell you much in this instance, but I don’t know if that logic holds generally.
Condemning and alienating people who are on the wrong side of an arbitrary ideological line, or are labelled as something undesirable, and offering no reconciliation is only good for two things: further pushing them into their existing convictions, and presenting yourself and like-minded people as the enemy. Being a human is far too complex to evaluate a person’s worth based on such simplistic views.
I don’t think Rossmann gives a rat’s ass about what you think of him nor that harsh words would sway him, but if you are ready to condemn and oppose him for identifying as a conservative, you are also saying, in effect, that the consumer rights activism he and his employer have done is not enough for you.
JerryRigEverything builds offroad wheelchairs. He also owns a Cybertruck as part of his business. Admiral James Watkins was a devout catholic and conservative officer in the US Navy. He also advocated for military personnel with AIDS under his command and strongly opposed politicians that labelled the disease as an act of God. Reducing a person’s worth to just one harmful thing necessitates ignoring the good they’ve done.
Changing your opinion about someone does not necessitate condemning and alienating them. As I stated, “conservative” is not a clear term, so it doesn’t make sense to form an opinion based on that, which I think is the arbitrary line you’re talking about. Specific views, such as the view that people with AIDS deserve treatment and dignity, are valid to form an opinion on.
I also don’t think rossman gives a rats ass what I think of him, but that’s true of every public figure and I still form opinions of them (as do you, given that you respect him). I am not ready to condemn and oppose him, and I don’t know whether you’re just fleshing out your statement or whether you got that from my comment, but I specified that there’s nothing to change your opinion on in this instance.
I don’t really think we disagree, based on your reply. I was intending to add nuance to your statement, by noting that it doesn’t apply universally, not to contradict it for this case.
Wasn’t planning on it, just surprised lol
The guy who uses mental health diagnoses as personal attacks? No, I don’t respect him
ShadowedcrossIs he really making a personal attack, or just making an accurate observation? Because from what I’ve seen of people with NPD, they’re exactly like that.
Yes, he’s making a personal attack. He’s not a doctor, he doesn’t know the person he’s attacking, he cannot diagnose. Narcissism alone does not make a personality disorder.
No, he’s just leaving out the politically correct bs way of speaking because it takes too long to add disclaimers to every thought you have.
It’s so much easier to say “People with Narcissistic Personality Disorder…”, than it is to say “I’m not a doctor and can’t provide a medical diagnosis, but in my experience, people who typically express traits which are commonly associated with Narcissistic Personality Disorder…”
No, the video title is a link to a followup video in which he says he doesn’t regret his choice of words. Even if you were right, he’s just being an asshole about mental illness in a very slightly different way.
once upon a time i nearly voted for John McCain, and i’m not even sure i can actually respect him he was just the closest to being a respectable human being that they had.
CubitOomConservatives think that other people having basic human rights somehow alienates their’s. There is no respectable conservative, since I can’t respect someone that thinks in this way.
sunniei think the point they’re trying to make is that people who make politics their entire personality suck, and at least for me that’s true regardless of what side of the political spectrul they’re on. but even if they’re chill outside of that and you can have a good conversation with a conservative, the fact they agree with people that want me dead is still gonna leave a sour taste in my mouth
hell, those more reasonable conservatives might be worth a 5 minute talk. i’ve seen people who vote conservative for purely economic reasons and never really thought about the whole killing minorities thing, and when i explained it to them they reconsidered
though to be clear, that’s where i’m from. you cannot make the same argument for trump voters
Swedneckidk, i think people who make “we should treat people better” their entire personality are quite cool and sexy and etc etc etc
I think you’re litterally the only person in the entire fediverse who understood the meme correctly
Owlconservatives i respect:
-didnt vote for trump
-arent ignorant or uninformed
I think they are endangered species or already extinct (dead Catholic Boomers with open minds raising latchkey Gen X children).
I said it before: those people are not conservative. They don’t want to conserve anything, they don’t want to caution against change or are stuck in their old ways.
Those people are reactionaries who want to return to a past that never really was, and fascists who think a strong leader will hurt the right people.
Don’t allow them to mask as moderates of any color. Don’t accept that being racist, sexist, corrupt and proudly admitting to be it are moderate, sensible, acceptable positions instead of radical extremist ones.
The problem is that I don’t respect “conservatives” if they continue to substantially support abusive politicians, organizations, and groups. I don’t care if you’re respectful and not personally bigoted; there’s no excuse for supporting disrespectful and bigoted actions. Unless you admit your sins and agree to not support Nazis anymore, then your sympathy will never be enough.
Just because American conservatives are Nazis now doesn’t mean that all conservatives everywhere are as well. I feel like that word, and fascism, get diluted way too much these days and all it does is increase political polarisation. For example, it scares me the number of Gen Z Aussies that that believe our centre-right conservative party are Nazis and that we’re “one step away” from becoming the US. I mean I don’t like those conservatives, I think they’re fluffheads, but they respect the rule of law and wouldn’t try to overturn an election!
right now the coalition is deciding whether or not to continue its trajectory towards trumpist alt right politics or realign itself as a centre right party.
this is not something that is just going away.
Yet the Australian people firmly rejected that Trumpism, and the Liberal party, which is who I was referring too, seem to be keen to push towards the centre under Sussan Ley.
The likelihood that we get a Trump style, fascist government that ignores the rule of law and the courts is infinitesimally small, especially with our mandatory and preferential voting system. The Coalition are awful, but to call them fascist is to water down the term until it has no meaning.
Edit: The one caveat I’ll add is Jacinta Price defecting to the Liberals but it’s not like the rest of the party had a choice in that matter, and I think they will grow increasingly frustrated with her if she repeats her Trumpist clowning during the next election.
These worries about increasing political polarization seem reasonable on the surface, but political polarization is only a symptom of underlying problems. If you want to worry about polarization itself, the demand must be equally applied to both extremes.
If no shared values and boundaries are agreed to, there’s nothing to stop one party from pushing the window of acceptable ideas to favor their own clan. As one side takes a step forward towards reconciliation, the other can shift the entire conversation in their favor by simply taking a step back. Complaining about the two sides drifting farther apart as a problem in itself only hurts the side less willing to further radicalize themselves.
I don’t know Australian politics, but I do know that most liberal democracies are only a step away from fascism. Some like the UK are already doomed. This is because unchecked capitalism breeds increasing wealth inequality, shrinking wages and opportunities, and causing an increase in people wanting to fundamentally change society in some way. Fascists offer easy answers in the death of liberalism, as many liberal politicians are unable to deliver or even promise substantial change.
The only way to preserve liberal democracy (the rule of law, civil liberties, a social contract) is to protect the working class from capitalism. Even if you think we need capitalism and can never live without it, capitalism causes societal instability by redistributing wealth from workers to the wealthy. Unless the state and workers can limit or reverse this trend, it will destroy the system by making people believe it can never serve them. Liberal democracy is incompatible with unchecked capitalism for this reason.
Just because American conservatives are Nazis now doesn’t mean that all conservatives everywhere are as well
They believe all the same stuff, they just know they can not yet bring it out in public.
You’re right that they wouldn’t try to overturn an election but it is only because they can’t get away with it, not because they actually respect any law other than “fuck you I’ve you mine”.
And your attitude of complacency is what makes it so that Australia will also become like the USA - you’re not special somehow, this is happening everywhere.
Being realistic =/= Complacency
We aren’t special, but we do have mandatory and preferential voting, which is fairly rare the world over, and that absolutely affects the outcomes of our elections. Mandatory voting has a far bigger effect than most realise on curbing extremism. I’m just so exhausted from American doomers trying to pretend the entire* rest of the world is heading the same direction so they don’t feel as bad about the fluffed state of their nation…
Someone else mentioned the UK and it’s the same FPTP, low voter turnout problem as the US. You know who’s actually special? New Zealand with their Mixed Member Proportional. I’ll give you a thousand dollars if they ever turn fascist!
Voting system helps but it’s not a magic bullet. I’m from NZ. We’ve always been ten years behind the rest of the world, I’ll hit you up in a decade to claim my thousand bucks
Shit meme. Fuck top category conservatives just as much. Yeah you’re just as bad as the bottom category, but you’re just enough of a fucking snake to hide your worst impulses and blend in with polite society. Everyone everywhere needs to adopt a policy of zero capitulation to reactionaries and their framings.
WugmeisterConservatives i can respect:
• Joe Biden
Joseph Robinette “Civil Asset Forfeiture” Biden, Jr? nah fuck that guy he can rot
TonyTonyChopperI have no sympathy for Genocide Joe