jcoglanJun 3
zooming out a little bit, it does feel alarming to me that a lot of people whose stated politics are progressive or socialist or both are willing to give huge tech companies an easy ride for fully seizing the means of production for everyone, no matter where you personally work
Wouter De BorgerJun 4
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and also deploying arguments like "if you're gonna be a hard-liner about ethics you got into the wrong industry" -- you can recognise this field is full of awful things and *therefore* be very choosy about where you work, not just throw your hands up and go "why bother"
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Show threadjcoglanJun 3
framing actually being militant about your values and red lines and what you are willing to do for a pay cheque as just pissing and moaning and being a stick-in-the-mud, is just bad faith, sorry
Show threadjcoglanJun 3
I didn't want this stuff to make me as angry as it has but some people need to hold themselves to better standards I swear
Show threadjcoglanJun 3
"it is overwhelmingly likely this will continue on account of capital interests" is not the same thing as "this is inevitable and you should give up". see also: "no ethical consumption" does not mean you shouldn't try to act ethically
Show threadjcoglanJun 3
your values are actually supposed to cost you something
Show threadMistyJun 4
@jcoglan Right!!
Show threadBit_formJun 4
@jcoglan I think about this in terms of art making on a larger scale all the time, and types of opportunities I refuse to apply to, even if they are applicable, and possibly attainable. But the cost really is of work and being payed well.
Show threadcharlagJun 4
@jcoglan related
https://gts.superseriousbusiness.org/@dumpsterqueer/statuses/01JWTRYVAQWQ1QG1HNPJQHM05Y
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never ever ever ever trust a computer toucher!! they have no class solidarity at all and they will sell their grandma for the most minuscule chance of upward mobility toward the echelons of the tech ruling class that they so obsequiously admire! they are, by and large, class traitors who will sell o...

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Show threadnicopapJun 4

@jcoglan also consider that as an expert in the field you know better than anyone else, where the red line lies in tech.

Maybe there is similar good vs bad companies in other fields. You just don't know them because you are not an expert in them. So the ethics argument applies as much outside of tech as inside of it.