JPAI coding tools are currently good at the first 80% of software development, which is putting bugs in. Not so great at the second 80%, which is taking them out again.
Daniel Carosone@daedalus but they excel at the third 80%, which is telling users to hold it wrong
AI6YR Ben
Mosen@daedalus yeah Claude removed my authentication because I wasn’t using the result of that function call. Guess I’ll just have a wide open api lol
BigKahuna69@daedalus
I used chatGPT to code an isochronic tones app in C with various parameters. It took me 5 hours of going back and forth to get it good enough!
I used chatGPT to code an isochronic tones app in C with various parameters. It took me 5 hours of going back and forth to get it good enough!
Jim CampbellIt's not nice to call them 'coding tools'; they prefer to be called just 'coders'.
Although some of the elder statespersons of the community stick with 'programmers'.
skribe 🇺🇦 
@daedalus TIL, I'm an AI.
Beep. Boop. Kill all humans!
Aaron
Helix 
I'm the #CEO of a multi million dollar #VC funded #startup. Due to the #Pareto Principle, which tells me we only need 20% of people for the second 80% of the result, I have deducted that we can fire 80% of our employees. #quickMaths
DigitalTaoist #resists@daedalus
I wonder how many AI "tools" are just poorly paid Indian programmers?
Tofu 
@daedalus I've been using copilot chat to aid me with debugging, as pretty much a rubber duck
@hosford42 Yeah, I managed to get it once to actually help me out, and I consider it superior to talking to people, because it doesn't take forever to respond, on force me to sit around on a call with someone
Major Denis Bloodnok@hosford42 @tofu @daedalus And ofc the conventional rubber duck does not burn electricity like it's going out of fashion.
@denisbloodnok @hosford42 @daedalus The amount of used energy seems to be about on par with using a search engine, so I don't really think so
@tofu @denisbloodnok @daedalus Curious if this is with training expenses amortized in. Water usage and other environmental impacts are also a concern. I did see someone saying the energy usage was much less than it's typically made out to be, but still relatively high. Sources have evaporated from my brain since then, unfortunately.
@hosford42 @denisbloodnok @daedalus Just like during the crypto boom, I see the extra energy demand as an opportunity to expand the capacity with cleaner means
@tofu @hosford42 @daedalus Right, because that worked so well during the crypto boom (spoiler, it did not, it ended up reopening gas plants and the like because people who want to piss away unlimited quantities of electricity want the very cheapest and sod the externalities).
@denisbloodnok @hosford42 @daedalus Trying to shut down things is a great way to maintain the status quo.
@denisbloodnok @tofu @daedalus I'm all for polite discussion and even disagreement in order to work out all the angles on a topic, but if this is going to switch into sarcasm and baiting, I'm not down with that. Please untag me for those sorts of replies. I wasn't attacking anyone, and I don't want to participate in any attacks. If that's not what this is, good, but the tone suggests it is.
@hosford42 @tofu @daedalus People aligned with "AI" snake oil have some complex (ie, misleading) ways to calculate it, but nah, it's absolutely astronomical. Every bit as bad as Bitcoin.
Panicz Maciej Godek@daedalus so are humans
Joshua M. Clulow@daedalus You should be grateful that capital allows you to keep your job in delousing, for now, labour
I made a dedicated approach on Deepseek to get a C64 small asm program, that bend some vectors does something and does a cleanup.
A couple of things would work (like load from an address, add 1; and store it back - while most folks would likely used INC instead).
It took quite some iterations until it showed me the code, I roughly expected. ... Still in a handcrafted version I would have done a few things differently.
Tristram Brelstaff@daedalus Not strictly relevant but I am going to repeat it all the same:
"We shouldn't add errors to software out of negligence. They should be added systematically and carefully."
A joke by Edsger W Dikstra translated from the original Dutch here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39255412
Andreas K@daedalus
Yeah, now that you mention it, my contribution to the fixing of an embarrassing setup issue that my AI buddy" fought bravely for over an hour with dozens of configuration approaches was to point the digital idiot to the install page of the page it was trying to configure and point out that typescript (that I never used before, learned by doing) needs a separate package for the type declarations. One iteration later it worked.
It's fascinating hire the idiots
Yeah, now that you mention it, my contribution to the fixing of an embarrassing setup issue that my AI buddy" fought bravely for over an hour with dozens of configuration approaches was to point the digital idiot to the install page of the page it was trying to configure and point out that typescript (that I never used before, learned by doing) needs a separate package for the type declarations. One iteration later it worked.
It's fascinating hire the idiots
can be rather fast but need handholding for simple stuff. And that was literally with a model that is capable of looking up stuff on the internet. Sigh. Literally adding URL of the page with the install instructions was what took it.
Jan Wedel@daedalus
And also not good in
- making it fast
- making secure
- making it accessible
- making it a pleasure to use
And also not good in
- making it fast
- making secure
- making it accessible
- making it a pleasure to use
GDPR GmbH@daedalus holy moly this did numbers
itgrrl 
I can’t believe its not @twcau