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NASA leveled by Trump

https://lemmy.world/post/30525450

NASA leveled by Trump - Lemmy.World

Not only is Trump leveling science funding at NASA, like he did with the National Science Foundation, but look closely at the budget. Beginning next year at 800 million and by 2030, 3.5 billion (nearly 20% of its budget), NASA is required to work towards “Commercial Moon and Mars Infrastructure and Transportation”. The ultimate subsidy for the commercial space sector. They also eliminated STEM engagement program, which provided funding for the next generation of scientists to participate in NASA opportunities. I can’t wait for all this greatness Trump has been preaching to arrive.

May 31, 2025 at 1:00amWeb
Show threadDeathsEmbraceMay 31, 2025
Don’t forget that women and marginalized populations are now being discriminated against.
Show threadChozoMay 31, 2025
Now?
Show threadphdepressedMay 31, 2025
More openly than before with even less recourse.
Show threadDeathsEmbraceMay 31, 2025
You can shame them, now they wear it like a badge of honour.
Show threadFreakinSteveMay 31, 2025
They can carry weapons also.
Show threadconditional_soupMay 31, 2025
So, we all know what’s going on here, right? They’re gutting any part of our society that relies on intellectual work and trying to compete with motherfucking robots to bring factories back. They want to cram everyone into sweatshops. The plan was never to bring good factory jobs back, the plan was always live-in factories and suicide nets on the windows.
Show threadNocturnalMorningMay 31, 2025
The Roman telescope will likely get shoved in storage. I work on it right now, we are talking internally about what this means. Obviously, I have no more information that you do, but the cuts are severe enough that there’s no way we will be able to keep working on it at the current levels if this goes through.
Show threadconditional_soupMay 31, 2025
FUCK. Wishing you guys all the best!
Show threadEnsign_CrabMay 31, 2025

The plan was never to bring good jobs back, the plan was always live-in factories and suicide nets on the windows.

Bold of you to assume they’ll spring for nets.

Show threadcheers_queersMay 31, 2025
Gotta protect your assets
Show threadEnsign_CrabMay 31, 2025
And appearances are a more valuable asset to corporations than employees.
Show threadKingPorkChopMay 31, 2025
Humbug. If the pleb jumps, it just shows they don’t appreciate the ruling class.
Show threadhenfredemarsMay 31, 2025

This is the same vibe as when the CEO gets a million dollar raise but we don’t have money for cost of living increases this year.

Sorry USA kids. No astronaut program this summer. Dream smaller this year.

Show threadbtaf45Jun 1, 2025

Traitorapist Trump just set back the likely date for getting people to mars by roughly a quarter century. And yes, because of what Trump did it is very possible it will be accomplished first by another country.

MAKE AMERICA GREAT NEVER

Show threadTony BarkMay 31, 2025
So, Trump wants NASA to get to the Moon and Mars by 2030 while on a slashed budget with limited scientists? Get ready for more spacecraft to drop out of the sky.
Show threadDoomsiderMay 31, 2025
Nu-uh magic Musk is going to fix all our problems.
Show threadBastingCheminaMay 31, 2025

No, Trump does not want NASA to get to the Moon or Mars.

Trump wants NASA to be a tool that funnel money from the government to billionaires, aka Musk and Bezos

Show threadnBodyProblemMay 31, 2025
Sadly, getting more places with less money is absolutely possible, but the key to making it happen is abandoning planetary science. It’s a shift from a paradigm where engineering exists to support planetary science efforts to engineering for engineering’s sake
Show threadFreakinSteveMay 31, 2025
Arm up and say no fucking way goddammit
Show threadqueermunist she/herMay 31, 2025
It’s okay. Europe and China will replace the US and the world will be better off.
Show threadSCmSTRMay 31, 2025
Not sure that’s true, but alright
Show threadqueermunist she/herMay 31, 2025
Not sure about what? The US is certainly getting replaced, and we’ll all be better off if the Great Satan isn’t the center of scientific progress.
Show threadSCmSTRMay 31, 2025
The great…Satan? …Wat? Is that Europe orr… China?
Show threadNetuxMay 31, 2025

You must be young. The Iranians and other parts of the middle east have referred to us since at least the 80s, and probably before.

When we brought a bunch of Nazis in after WWII and installed them in positions of importance (like heading NASA by Wernher von Braun) I think we gave them a pretty reasonable argument.

Show threadSCmSTRMay 31, 2025
It’s like everyday I learn more and more about how shitty this country’s history is.
Show threadJaxMay 31, 2025

Don’t worry, you’re not wrong about China — what’s going on in the U.S. is just more televised.

You know, because of the freedoms and whatnot.

Show threadBytemeisterJun 1, 2025

Honestly, operation paperclip doesn’t even make it into the top 10.

Consider this, we could have put them on trial, but they were low down enough to get some jail time and then get sent back to Germany at worst. We could have let the Russian have them, or we could have just executed them. All in, bringing them here and using their expertise isn’t the worst thing.

Show threadfyzzlefryJun 1, 2025
If you dig into any country’s history you’re going to find some gems.
Show threadLobster BisqueMay 31, 2025
Because you seem confused, satan here would be America’s insane and unstable government body who is openly trying to dismantle scientific and medical research/funding that could improve our futures and the world imho <3
Show threadhauiMay 31, 2025
I sincerely encourage you to check out documentaties about china that dont start with genocide. You will see that today its used as red scare.
Show threadSupraMarioMay 31, 2025

Lol so… you just willfully ignore the shit they do…got it

Fuckin tankies.

Show threadhauiMay 31, 2025

What you’re doing is called a strawman.

Of course one should not ignore crimes against humanity. I’m saying we are reducing people, countries and systems based on what agenda we have today.

Show threadSupraMarioMay 31, 2025
Lol no a strawman is presenting a different argument than what’s being discussed. I said nothing of the sort and just called you out for your bullshit tankie thoughts. The USA isn’t some bastion of freedom, but to act like china or russia is better by ignoring the shit they’re currently doing is full on tankie ignorance.
Show threadhauiMay 31, 2025

check out documentaties about china that dont start with genocide

here is the argument

you just willfully ignore the shit they do

this is a strawman. I never said I’d want to ignore anything. You brought that up and tried to fight me for it. That is literally the meaning of a strawman. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

So no, you’re trying to push red scare and that is at best naive or at worst deliberate antisocialist propaganda.

Straw man - Wikipedia

Show threadfrozenpopsicleMay 31, 2025
You are doing the tankie thing again.
Show threadhauiMay 31, 2025
Feel free to elaborate.
Show threadfrozenpopsicleMay 31, 2025
I regard you as a bad faith debater. You just blocked a guy for pointing out your own words. So there’s really nothing to add. My words would be wasted. You seem to have no real concept of a conversation. Feel free to block everyone else too. It doesn’t hurt anyone.
Show threadhauiMay 31, 2025

Why then even say something? The other person was dealing in bad faith themselves. I pointed out in good faith that it is okay to criticize china but its not okay to reduce someone solely on their former deeds. Its the same as calling germany a nazi shithole (but that is becoming increasingly true) today just because of the holocaust.

I blocked them because they were repeating themselves and being condescending, which i encourage everyone to do because debate isnt just being right but also being fair.

Show threadSupraMarioMay 31, 2025
You literally said ignore those about genocide lol that’s you… quoting yourself. I called you out on it… ROFL
Show threadhauiMay 31, 2025
I did not and I explained it well. This is going nowhere. You’re going on the blocklist. Bye.
Show threadCarbonatedPastaSauceMay 31, 2025
My country is in serious trouble but at least we never ran over protesting college students with tanks and then washed them down the drains.
Show threadhauiMay 31, 2025
Its totally okay to criticise crimes against humanity, as I said. But china hate is not rooted in reality. They did wrong, as did everyone else.
Show threadCarbonatedPastaSauceMay 31, 2025
Please note the very real situation I mentioned above. That’s reality whether China wants to try and scrub it from history or not. The fact that they won’t even let their citizens discuss it is telling enough. They deserve the hate.
Show threadhauiMay 31, 2025
I read that and I am aware that this has happened. I never said it didnt happen, neither did I say that it is somehow not horrendous. I’m asking you to think about the elephant in the room: horrendous things are done regularly by most developed countries. Why is china the big bad? I’m okay to learn something new, how about you?
Show threadCarbonatedPastaSauceMay 31, 2025

Where did I say they were THE big bad? I’m ok with hating all authoritarian regimes including the one I live under.

Why are you so big on defending their image?

Show threadhauiMay 31, 2025

You’re in for a bad surprise. Especially living in so called democracies, we are not asked an neither are the people who are killed by them. We’re being silenced just as much.

I’m not defending anyones image. I just dont like blanket statements. I’m currently fighting fascists in the country i live in and people are being executed. Its not cool.

Show threadಚಿರಾಗ್ 🌹✊🏾Ⓥ🌱🇵🇸 (he/him)May 31, 2025
@CarbonatedPastaSauce @haui_lemmy How often do we discuss the genocide of indigenous folks? How often do we discuss forced sterilization of African Americans? Residential schools? Like, you're just deluded if you think we haven't done most of what China gets criticized for (especially the big things). We don't have The Great Firewall (yet), but people are currently being disappeared for thought crimes, so...
Show threadqueermunist she/herMay 31, 2025
Israel runs over people with its US tanks and it’s the 51st state, so, let’s not throw stones in this big shitty glass house?
Show threadCarbonatedPastaSauceMay 31, 2025

Thanks for the whataboutism. Israel can go fuck itself too, they are worse at the moment.

I don’t need everyone else to be perfect to level valid criticism.

Show threadqueermunist she/herMay 31, 2025

Israel can go fuck itself too, they are worse at the moment.

The US is directly responsible for the innocent people that Israel kills. It’s the 51st state. They are so fundamentally connected and Israel is so deeply reliant on the US for economic and military and legal connections that it is impossible to separate the two.

Israel would probably cease to exist if the US didn’t give them unlimited backing and support.

You know what that means? That means it’s not fucking “”“whataboutism”“” to bring up Israel! Israel’s crimes are US’s crimes.

Show threadCarbonatedPastaSauceMay 31, 2025
We weren’t talking about Israel. That’s why it’s whataboutism regardless of the veracity of your claims.
Show threadqueermunist she/herMay 31, 2025
We are talking about Israel, because we are talking about the US. It’s the 51st state. You don’t get to separate the two as if they are totally different countries that are unrelated to each other. Israel’s crimes are US crimes.
Show threadCarbonatedPastaSauceMay 31, 2025
The United States is comprised of 50 states so your hyperbole is going nowhere. Israel is a separate nation no matter how close friends the pair of assholes are. You have not countered my argument.
Show threadqueermunist she/herMay 31, 2025

Your only argument seems to be “well there’s only 50 stars on the flag, so, checkmate 😏”. Israel isn’t a real nation, it’s just an extension of the US empire. Israel literally can not exist without US support and the US will give Israel unlimited support no matter what. They’re intertwined so deeply that they can’t be separated. Israel would collapse the instant the US stopped propping it up.

I repeat, it’s not a real country. It was created with the stroke of a pen and will end with one. Israel’s crimes are US crimes.

You don’t get it yet, but I think you will. I don’t even need to win this argument. History will do it for me.

Show threadಚಿರಾಗ್ 🌹✊🏾Ⓥ🌱🇵🇸 (he/him)May 31, 2025
@CarbonatedPastaSauce @haui_lemmy The US has literally bombed its own cities: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing
1985 MOVE bombing - Wikipedia

Show threadbtaf45Jun 1, 2025

china that dont start with genocide

Yes is sucks for the Chinese that their government keeps committing genocide and they don’t have any way to end that by choosing their own leaders. Except for our lucky friends in Taiwan.

Show threadhauiJun 1, 2025

keeps committing genocide

  • Can you prove that?
  • Have you bothered to check out anything else about china?
    • Show threadbtaf45Jun 1, 2025

    we’ll all be better off if the Great Satan isn’t the center of scientific progress.

    No, I wouldn’t be better off living in a country where women are arrested and killed for appearing in public without a silly garment covering their head.

    Show threadfyzzlefryJun 1, 2025
    Hail Satan
    Show threadqueermunist she/herJun 1, 2025
    The women in that country would be better off without the US constantly attacking them.