WilshireFlorida man armed with garden shears survives gator attack before shot, killed by deputies
orcaThis is a wild story about
- how running with scissors is a bad idea
- alligator bites can’t even stop a dude on meth
- cops continue to have no clue what de-escalation tactics are
PlebcouncilmanHonestly I think in this case the cops responded as they should. They tried teasing him and that didn’t do anything and then he tried to take a rifle from them. At that point they didn’t have a lot of options.
The fact that you (an average US citizen, presumably) think tasing is de-escalation is literally part of the problem.
I was trained by cops multiple times during my 10 years of security work. Sadly, I didn’t receive much for de-escalation training. I had to learn it myself. Oh sure sometimes escalation (like sounding intimidating while moving your hand to your hip) worked as a method of de-escalation, most of the time it was to reinforce the mantra to “ensure you go home at night”.
Tasers aren’t even non-lethal, they are now (properly, with public outcry) considered “less lethal”.
Meanwhile, we have no one there to assess him to determine what his medical and/or psychological needs are, because “he’s dangerous”.
The cops brought the rifle.
I get what you’re saying. I would agree in almost every case. Not on this one. You try to reason with a violent meth head that is this out of his marbles and see how that turns out for you.
No one said to reason with them. Just neutralise them without using a lethal weapon. Mace, batons and manpower will put any unarmed person on the ground.
So you think beating the shit out of someone is better than tasing them?
It objectively is. Most people are put out of action by 1-2 whacks with a telescope baton. If you’ve ever felt one, you’ll know that your muscles basically go numb when you’re hit - it’s not just pain.
One of the major disadvantages with deploying tasers to untrained people (e.g. American cops), is that it causes them to think they can handle 1-on-1 confrontations and then panic when the taser fails (not unlikely). The safer way to deal with a single unarmed person is to overwhelm them with several people that force them to the ground with sheer volume of baton blows (to the legs/body), pepper spray, and body mass.
most people
I think you’re missing the part where he’s hyped up on meth and adrenaline. I’ve seen people take multiple gunshots in that condition before going down.
sure you have.
Ah yes, my career shields me from all horrors on this earth
I’ve seen people take multiple gunshots in that condition before going down.
Far be it from me to suggest that IT admins arent exposed to a whole lot of meth heads getting shot multiple times “before going down”. I didnt mean to impugn your obvious street cred. Whats your handle at work, does it have “ice” or “vanilla” in it? Its ‘vanilla killa’ isnt it. Because you like to add 2 tbsp of vanilla to your toll house cookies recipes instead of one. And you seem like a no walnuts kind of guy too.
How far off am I? I dont blame you at all, just 1 tbsp of vanilla makes me so angry, like I want to take out my gat and rain fire on some printers. (not that I’d actually do it because I’m a professional).
Anyway, my apologies. Stay strong-- yo.
Why are you such an asshole?
Why are you such an asshole?
Because its a fact of life that poseurs get called out, mr early career sysadmin with stories of multiple (italtics are a direct quite from you) meth related shootings connected to violence. Especially when people like yourself are using their contrived nonsense to implicitly support cop violence. You should stick to IT related samba comments-- your comments in this thread are not believable and I think you’ll find people are increasingly less willing to put up with thuggery and rightwing security fetishist nonsense.
No buddy, I saw one guy shot multiple times.
And yes, it is gross. And it haunts me everywhere I go, even years later. Unfortunately just because I have a cushy office job doesn’t mean I haven’t seen horrible things outside of the office. You don’t know me, where I grew up, or where I live now.
All you know is that I work in IT.
Well, we’ve gone from “You’ve seen people” (plural) to you’ve seen “one guy”.
So you’re on the road to believability now, I’m happy for you.
You are the first person I’ve ever blocked on social media and it’s because I frankly just don’t like you.
If I never talked with another right wing security fetishist for the rest of my life I’d have a much richer life because of it. Kudos for blocking. Its the first mature from you so far. Good luck with your life, young IT guy.
This is not unique to people on meth, and just underscores why guns are a sub-optimal weapon in CQB. In reality, a person is reliably stopped dead in their tracks if hit in the thigh bone, hip, nervous system (spine/head) or heart. Any other hit, and they have anything from seconds to hours where they remain nearly fully functional.
Note that most of the body is not one of these critical zones. Hit someone with three lung-shots at 3m range, and they’ll still be able to reach and stab you. This is a large part of the debate regarding the “stopping power” of various types of ammunition (i.e. how much of the ammunitions momentum is imparted into the target, physically stopping them), and is a large part of the reason expanding ammunition is preferred for close-range exchanges (e.g. police).
A baton strike to the liver or knee will physically shut down part of your body. Just look at any professional fighter that receives a solid strike to either and see how they go down. This has nothing to do with meth or adrenaline, but is a physiological response to the strike.