WilshireFlorida man armed with garden shears survives gator attack before shot, killed by deputies
orcaThis is a wild story about
- how running with scissors is a bad idea
- alligator bites can’t even stop a dude on meth
- cops continue to have no clue what de-escalation tactics are
PlebcouncilmanHonestly I think in this case the cops responded as they should. They tried teasing him and that didn’t do anything and then he tried to take a rifle from them. At that point they didn’t have a lot of options.
The fact that you (an average US citizen, presumably) think tasing is de-escalation is literally part of the problem.
I was trained by cops multiple times during my 10 years of security work. Sadly, I didn’t receive much for de-escalation training. I had to learn it myself. Oh sure sometimes escalation (like sounding intimidating while moving your hand to your hip) worked as a method of de-escalation, most of the time it was to reinforce the mantra to “ensure you go home at night”.
Tasers aren’t even non-lethal, they are now (properly, with public outcry) considered “less lethal”.
Meanwhile, we have no one there to assess him to determine what his medical and/or psychological needs are, because “he’s dangerous”.
The cops brought the rifle.
I get what you’re saying. I would agree in almost every case. Not on this one. You try to reason with a violent meth head that is this out of his marbles and see how that turns out for you.
If you think killing people is an okay - and only - method of stopping a human, maybe try to learn more options. YouTube is free.
That’s exactly what I said that the only way to stop people is by killing them. Fuck me, some of you are extremely disingenuous.
They didn’t fucking try to reason, or use reasonable force. They brought a rifle, left their fucking car door open, and killed the dude when he tried to grab it. Meanwhile, no forms of non lethal incapacitation were used. Because they are trained to kill.
Cops are the bad guy, and they made the issue worse by being there, because they aren’t trained to de-escalate.
Ok next time you see a meth head running about doing shit like this tell people not to call the cops because you’ll stop him by reasoning with him and hugging him.
Depends how hard you hug…
How about we build a society where your insane take isn’t common (insanely common), because we actually take care of people, reducing the possibility of this situation in the first place?
I wish for that too. But we’re talking about the society we live in, not in the idealized one we wish we lived in. In the one we live in the situation happened and I don’t think the cops were completely wrong to act the way they did. Could and should they have done something else, I guess all the comments point to yes, but that doesn’t mean that they were entirely wrong to act the way they did. I would not put my own life on the line if I’m in the position of having to defend myself against a rabid meth head trying to steal my rifle.
Guess we’ll just kick that can down the road every single time an incident comes up then.
Par for the course.
Tasers aren't a form of non-lethal incapacitation?
Not really, no.
Tasers can be really fucking dangerous to people. Same with rubber bullets.
Just because its publicly called “non-lethal” doesn’t mean they haven’t caused a lot of people to die.
Which is why they’re called “less lethal” now. They are lethal just not AS lethal as a gun (a machine built and designed to kill).
No.
“Less lethal” is the actual descriptor. Like rubber bullets (which are about the size of a ping-pong ball).
Ah most of these people probably think fighting is like the movies. Sure there might have been a better way did they have it nope.
lumpenproletariatBecause they’re taught instead that what they did was acceptable, and this is backed up by chuds in society.
Maybe if you started to be outraged and demanded non-lethal methods, they could have that better way next time.