WilshireFlorida man armed with garden shears survives gator attack before shot, killed by deputies
orcaThis is a wild story about
- how running with scissors is a bad idea
- alligator bites can’t even stop a dude on meth
- cops continue to have no clue what de-escalation tactics are
PlebcouncilmanHonestly I think in this case the cops responded as they should. They tried teasing him and that didn’t do anything and then he tried to take a rifle from them. At that point they didn’t have a lot of options.
The fact that you (an average US citizen, presumably) think tasing is de-escalation is literally part of the problem.
I was trained by cops multiple times during my 10 years of security work. Sadly, I didn’t receive much for de-escalation training. I had to learn it myself. Oh sure sometimes escalation (like sounding intimidating while moving your hand to your hip) worked as a method of de-escalation, most of the time it was to reinforce the mantra to “ensure you go home at night”.
Tasers aren’t even non-lethal, they are now (properly, with public outcry) considered “less lethal”.
Meanwhile, we have no one there to assess him to determine what his medical and/or psychological needs are, because “he’s dangerous”.
The cops brought the rifle.
I get what you’re saying. I would agree in almost every case. Not on this one. You try to reason with a violent meth head that is this out of his marbles and see how that turns out for you.
No one said to reason with them. Just neutralise them without using a lethal weapon. Mace, batons and manpower will put any unarmed person on the ground.
He wasn’t unarmed.
teftJapan has man catcher poles that allow you to subdue someone without getting near them. They allow you to hold the person until they get tired or you can get the weapon away from them.
These should be standard in every police force.
Guy in the back is having fun
That’s the guy in front, there is a mirror.
Curious CanidThey really should. I’ve never run across this before, but they seem like a great option to have.
Idk why you’re being downvoted, you’re right. However my point still stands for anyone not armed with a weapon with decent range.
The point is that you deal with such a person by bringing more people to the scene and swarming them. Any person that is only armed with a short-ranged melee weapon will be quickly overwhelmed by many people with mace and batons coming at them from several sides. If you have any kind of training, you should be able to maintain sufficient distance that they can’t harm you with e.g. a knife, and from there it’s a game of patience to wear them out or find an opening to grab them and swarm them.
Do people become stab proof when they swarm someone with a knife?
You could have made your point without being obtuse.
When you swarm someone with a knife, you are able to attack them from many sides at once. This means that when they slash around you control distance, and if they try to single out someone, that person backs off while those behind them go in to whack or grab them. To see this in action, either look up videos of how humans pick off a cornered animal, or videos of how police without firearms or tasers in one of many countries (Norway and England come to mind) take down someone with a bladed weapon.
Of course, preferably you’ll be wearing a vest, but given 5-6 people with batons and training, dealing with a single person armed with a short-ranged bladed weapon shouldn’t be an issue where you get injured.
This isn’t radical rocket science. It’s being done regularly all around the world.
It’s not as effective as you think it is. Just google London police officer stabbed.
First of all, I’ve been involved in this myself, so I’m not talking out of my ass.
Secondly, by far most cases of “London police officer got stabbed” are the result of a police officer being forced into a confrontation without time to back out and request backup. If someone at <5 m range decides to stab you, and you’re unprepared, you’ll get stabbed regardless what you’re armed with.
My argument regards police responding to an armed person, where they have the time and space to control the confrontation.
You reviewed all the instances of officers getting stabbed pretty quick, what a coincidence that it confirmed your claim.
My argument regards police responding to an armed person, where they have the time and space to control the confrontation.
And even with your hand waving of officers being stabbed you concede that officers have been stabbed when they follow your special method.