Waking up to reports that overnight Israeli strikes killed at least 52 people in the Gaza Strip on Monday, including 36 in a school-turned-shelter that was struck as people slept, setting their belongings ablaze.
The Israeli military murdered dozens of Palestinian children while they slept. And they’re still blocking aid. All this after unilaterally breaking the ceasefire deal they agreed to.
This is intentional genocide & the world must act. Horrific horrific horrific.
I am not saying that I condone or approve of what Israel is doing -- but it is vitally important to realise this very simple fact:
Israel is doing to Hamas what Hamas wanted, aimed and planned to do to Israel.
Secondly, this was the explicit and specific platform that led the people of Gaza to elect Hamas and put it in charge of Gaza.
I found Hamas' manifesto. I fed it through Google Translate, because I can't read Arabic.
It specifically says that the primary goal of the organisation is to complete the work of the Third Reich and exterminate the Jewish race from the face of the Earth. This is spelled out, emphatically and repeatedly.
(Note: once Hamas realised people were doing this, that their document was readable by kāfirūn -- yes, the word "kaffir" is a transliteration of the Arabic word for non-Muslim non-Arabs -- in 2017 it published a much shorter manifesto which expurgated the material about genocide.)
This conflict is the victims of a nearly-successful genocide fighting back against an organisation that achieved power on a platform of completing that genocide.
@dnkboston @QasimRashid War is hell. It's a long time since WW2 and most Westerners have forgotten.
The Israelis have not.
Hamas has not surrendered. It has not conceded or backed down. It is still holding hostages. It intentionally used the people of Gaza to shield its bases and command structures.
This is an active conflict between one side that has repeatedly said it will not rest until it completes the genocide of the Jews -- one of many such groups, incidentally -- and the only Jewish nation on the planet, which knows very well that its choice is win, or be exterminated.
Every single conflict every Arab power has entered into with Israel, Israel has won.
Knowing this, on 7 Oct 2023 Hamas started a new one.
It chose this conflict.
@dnkboston @QasimRashid The Gazans elected them, even so. All wars have historic roots. There are no goodies and no baddies, just the less bad, the less evil.
*This time* Hamas started this. Its choice of time. Its choice of action.
One side here wants to survive; the other wants to completely destroy the other.
There is no way to agree over that. There's no possible peace of settlement or agreement or truce.
Expecting Israel to make deals with a group that will never retreat or rest from its sole stated intention, and which has not surrendered, is foolish, stupid and wilfully blind.
War is always terrible. It does not end until one side wins; it only pauses.
If Israel wins, I think it will be merciful. If Hamas wins, it absolutely will not. In its own words it exists to destroy the Jewish race completely. You can't negotiate with that.
@lproven Gazans haven't been able to vote since 2006. They got to choose Hamas for leadership as much as the Syrians got to choose Assad. The leadership of Hamas should have been hunted and brought to trial. The hundreds of thousands in Gaza should not have been killed and starved for something they had no control over.
I understand what war is, but Israel has been actively making choices to make it worse.
I don't have to carry water for Hamas to hold Israel to account.
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@lproven And Israel was making deals with Hamas. If nothing else, they facilitated Qatar's payments to Hamas. Netanyahu thought Hamas would serve his ends more than any other party. I guess we just didn't understand what his ends were.
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@dnkboston Maybe so. That doesn't change the situation. One side wants to expunge a threat within its borders, the other side wants to expunge a cultural group of humanity from the world.
These things are not the same. They are not comparable evils.
@lproven They haven't been able to vote in almost 20 years. They were in a dictatorship. You don't hold the people in that kind of system responsible for what their leaders do when they have no agency.
And we have international agreements these days about the conduct of war, far too many of which have been violated in this conflict.
@dnkboston None of that invalidates or falsifies what I said.
It doesn't excuse anything either.
This is not an international conflict. It's not an invasion, where some of those rules have force. Although mostly they are ignored then as well, sadly.
Wars end when one side surrenders or is killed. That's not happened yet. Until it does it will get worse. That's how wars work.
Asking for one side to go easier on the other will only make it last longer.
@dnkboston Yep. The Israelis are the children of the victims of total war. The Palestinians aren't. If anything they are collateral damage from WW1. But they elected a ruling party on a platform of total genocide.
Anything that helps Palestinians, helps the people of Gaza, also helps Hamas. It's horrible and it's shitty but it's the situation.
The more aid that gets led through, the longer this lasts, and the more people die. That is how this works.
Ceasefire = more dead.
Some negotiated settlement = more dead. Not that I've read that Hamas is willing to negotiate.
Hamas has not conceded, it has not surrendered, and vile thought Hamas is, Hamas remains the elected government of this region.
The war isn't against the ordinary Gazans. My grandfathers didn't fight against ordinary Germans. But my mum's dad's submarine probably killed ordinary Germans who were crew on some of the ships that I presume it sank.
We are 6 years away from the centenary of the Japanese invasion of Manchuria. It has been the century of total war.
And it is going to get worse. Much, much worse.
@lproven What...? Yeah, my grandfather fought in WWII as well, what's your point?
You say that you're not excusing anything, but then, basically, you make excuses. And it's gross.
I blocked an idiot antisemite this morning. I am now blocking an apologist for war crimes.
Enjoy your day.
@lproven @dnkboston @QasimRashid you ziotard already lost the propaganda war. When holucst survivors and genocide expert say there is a genocide we know who is the evil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4PFmz4MNdg&pp=ygUnaG9sb2N1c3Qgc3Vydml2b3IgaXNyYWVsIGNvbWl0IGdlbm9jaWRl
https://www.commondreams.org/news/israel-is-committing-genocide-in-gaza
shame on you , you scum
@lproven @dnkboston @QasimRashid even if ‘Hamas’ wanted to raise all of Israel to the ground, they fundamentally never had the ability to do so. Oct 7th was horrific, but also represents about the most they could ever hope to inflict.
Further Palestine, or even Gaza, is *not* synonymous with Hamas.
But actually, none of that matters, states are expected to act in line with international norms, something Israel has repeatedly committed to, which doesn't allow for repeatedly bombing children.
@zbrown @dnkboston @QasimRashid I'm not making these equivalences. You are.
I never claimed Hamas did have such abilities. That's not the question. The question is its goal. That is explicit and clear.
@dnkboston @QasimRashid That fool lproven forget that Israel started it by occupying Gaza and the west bank in 67
“The Egyptian Army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.” - Former Prime minister Menachem Begin
@QasimRashid it's really gross how many of you all are trying to justify genocide in the comments here.
You know you can say Hamas is in the wrong for attacking civilians AND the IDF is in the wrong for genociding and ethnic cleansing a whole population of people.
Blaming the civilians that's are being killed by the actions of the IDF because of your perceived alliance to a group hostile takeover
Like blaming the victim in a abusive relationship and it's sicking.
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