tanteI think the most tragic aspect of deploying "AI" in teaching and learning situations is how much it pushes people into a situation of learned helplessness. This constant feeling of not knowing how to do a thing of being incapable of actually doing work on one's tasks is mentally so harmful. How do people under those conditions gain confidence in their abilities? Like ever?
Joanne Jacobs@tante So what's odd is that there appears to be evidence that they think this *is* working on one's tasks. They are supremely confident that what they produce is sufficient.... And to a large extent they are not wrong about that. What's slightly more worrying is when they discover that's not enough. And you'd think then they would lose confidence right? Wrong! That's when they seek out a better tool. It's a remarkably interesting phenomenon.
Giliell@joannejacobs @tante The problem is: were not actually interested in the answers, but the process. I know the difference between an absolute and a constitutional monarchy, I can perfectly write an Email in English and I'm actually not even interested in their view on school uniforms. I want them to compare information, use polite forms and write a coherent argument. But they get away using an LLM like I did with copying my friend's homework: safe in the moment, utterly clueless in the exam
@Giliell @tante as an educator, I get this. But we educators need to think differently about how to facilitate the process of learning.
As you say, it's not about the answers. So if we are testing for understanding and insight, creative thinking and critical thinking, then *turn the process around*. Rather than finding answers to questions, we should be helping them to evaluate the answers available to them.
@joannejacobs @tante That's true, that's nice, but pardon me being blunt, also empty phrases that don't address the issue we're talking about because the kids are actively skipping that crucial step and refusing to engage because "Chat GPT has the answers"
@Giliell @tante It absolutely addresses the issue. When kids know to find the answers, you need to stop asking simple questions. You need to get kids to evaluate results rather than assuming the only thing they ever want is an answer.
The very fact that kids go to AI to get an answer is evidence that they don't see the value in delivering a result. Yet they will put hours into finding the right tool and evaluating those tools and their outputs. Harness that enthusiasm.
@joannejacobs @tante These kids can't read at a third grade level... And of course it doesn't address the "how do we enable them" at all. The answer to that question is always " you're the teacher, figure it out", while we're battling ever decreasing attention spans.
@joannejacobs @tante That's another one of the phrases I can't hear anymore
@joannejacobs @tante Aaaaand here we are. This is exactly what I'm talking about. You use those nice phrases and when anybody points out that those nice phrases are pretty empty and not doing anything, then they're the problem and obviously a bad teacher. "Let's work together ". Tell me how. Tell me who. Tell me where the resources are coming from. Tell me the goals of the cooperation.
@Giliell @tante And just to remind you, I GAVE you the answer and you rejected that too. Here's an idea. Stop complaining. Stop focusing on the barriers. The fact that kids can't read at 3rd grade level is not the point. They are using the tools. They know how to use the tools. Make them use the tools.
@joannejacobs @tante No, you didn't. You said we had to enable them, but you never offered any ideas as to how to do that or resources teachers can use. I can see through that bullshit from a mile away.
Joanne Jacobs (@[email protected])
@[email protected] @[email protected] It absolutely addresses the issue. When kids know to find the answers, you need to stop asking simple questions. You need to get kids to evaluate results rather than assuming the only thing they ever want is an answer. The very fact that kids go to AI to get an answer is evidence that they don't see the value in delivering a result. Yet they will put hours into finding the right tool and evaluating those tools and their outputs. Harness that enthusiasm.
@joannejacobs @tante I rejected that, because as I already said, it doesn't address the many issues that lead to this point. You are absolutely not offering anything that we don't absolutely know yet. May I ask you which grades and institutions you teach at?
@joannejacobs @tante Keep it up with the insults. Calling people "poor learners" is the hallmark of brilliant educators. I also didn't ask about your credentials, I asked about where you're teaching. You're also making up stuff like me "refusing to work with others" when you have offered no opportunity whatsoever. Again, this is, typical: people who call out empty phrases in a, dysfunctional system get blamed.