db0The same picture
EkybioThat looks like an article in regards to a study. Is there further information? Would be really interesting to read the full thing
Sorry I only found the meme. Sounds it should be googlable.
AngryCommieKenderSomeone else in the comments provided this
People worry that 'moderate' Democrats like Joe Biden are the same as Republicans. Our study suggests they may be right | The Independent
Men who refer to themselves as 'moderate' or 'centrist' score basically the same on values and opinions as people who identify themselves as 'conservative'
Found the source:
People worry that 'moderate' Democrats like Joe Biden are the same as Republicans. Our study suggests they may be right | The Independent
Men who refer to themselves as 'moderate' or 'centrist' score basically the same on values and opinions as people who identify themselves as 'conservative'
There is, after all, no middle ground on most social issues anymore
There never was, unless you consider supporting desegregation but not interracial marriage a middle ground I guess.
Middle ground on social issues: “Separate but equal”
Okay I read the source now and what I found funny is the part where people describe how “moderates” on dating apps are just conservatives. An observation I can regard as true in my experience, they are just self-aware enough to not be dismissed outright, but not self-aware enough to actually change a thing about themselves and become a better person.
This is DEEPPY VALIDATING thank you
This is DEEPLY VALIDATING thank you
As it should be! After all, self-validation is far more important than winning elections.
Clearly you folks on the left did everything right in the 2024 election, and have no need for improvement. No, it’s those pesky voters who are wrong. Surely, doubling down on the condescending attitudes, the cancel culture, and the ideological purity tests is the way to go.
I mean, who cares if you never win another election ever again? Having the political power to preserve human rights is over-rated anyhow. What’s really important is that you know deep down that you are a better human being than anyone who disagrees with you.
As it should be! After all, self-validation is far more important than winning elections.
and being condescending to leftists especially when they are correct and it makes you annoyed you can’t come up with good rhetorical counter arguments that hold together logically… is the MOST important!!
and being condescending to leftists
LMAO this entire thread is basically far-leftists having a purity circle jerk, you all definitely need to be taken down a few pegs after losing the 2024 election so damn badly.
For f-ck sake, start learning from your mistakes.
especially when they are correct
Yeah, that’s another f-ckin’ problem the left has - You always think you’re “correct”, and you’re convinced, 100%, that you are the “good guys”.
Well, guess what: To most people? You aren’t the “good guys”. You are merely the lesser of two evils.
Some of them genuinely seem to be in some weird form of denial I can’t understand. I lost a friend from his slide during covid who would fit this. Self identified moderate who only ever defended right wing views and the worst of the grifters.
I experienced this recently with a coworker who talked himself in circles about how he cared about facts and logic and agreed with both parties on different issues. But…he spat out Republican grifter speech over and over (basic biology!) and talked about how he watched these “debate me” idiots online who showed how Democrats “barely ever back up their arguments with logic” while the Republicans apparently do (you probably know the ones, they’re famous grifters but I don’t remember their names), as if these guys wouldn’t simply edit out everything but the most extreme people to use as evidence for their claims.
I have a line from a song I like to use when talking about these sorts of people: Spread the facts out like a fan on the floor, throw away the ones that make you feel bad.
Cognitive dissonance is a requirement for this kind of thinking.
You’re right. Clearly folks on the left need to double down on cancel-culture, finger-wagging, and shaming people in to compliance. After all, who cares if MAGA Republicans get to stay in power forever because the left can’t win an election? Human rights are over-rated anyways, what really matters is that at the end of the day, you are secure in knowing that you are correct and righteous. As long as folks on the left are secure in knowing that they are better human beings than anyone who’s not as far-left-wing as they are, nothing else matters. Always remember: Ideological purity is more important than winning elections.
…And if you believe any of that, you’re a f*cking tool who’s just as responsible for Trump’s rise to power as anyone who voted for him.
I think this also has to do with how “we” refuse to speak of left and right as actual sets of ideals as opposed to relative positions. As far as voters go they see themselves as centrist because they aren’t far right fascists so they’re to the “left” of them, but they don’t agree with “the left” so they’re to the “right” of them. Their actual beliefs though would make them conservatives and so right wingers…
As far as politicians, they just want to get elected and the Bidens of the world know they can’t win as Republicans especially today.
Right, most of these idiots don’t have a clue what the Left actually is.
Ricky RigatoniThe wrong side of the road, that’s what it is.
Most of these idiots believe in what the left would have the chance to propose if they hadn’t been brainwashed into believing that the left is communism is evil.
Social security? Accessible healthcare? Being able to live a comfortable life? Working hard leading to an appropriate reward?
ProfDrDrIt’s great when people who work hard get rewarded, but that should only be an extra, not a necessity for a good life. And working too hard shouldn’t be glorified, there need to be limits.
Some people just want to work harder than required though (I’ve got a workaholic uncle but he just loves his job, my FiL spent his career working 60h/week in research out of choice…) and they should be rewarded accordingly, but as you say, working a full time schedule is already hard enough, it’s not normal that people can’t live comfortably doing that!
Our current system does not reward that extra hard work. The wealth distribution slow is barely perceptible for the bottom 97% of the population. When ~100 people hold half the country’s wealth, there’s none left for anyone else regardless of how hard you grind.
Exactly, that’s why I’m saying it’s a left wing thing to actually make it so that working more means getting more
Don’t underestimate the appeal of racism. The biggest barrier to the expansion of the US social safety net is the fact that many, many white people would willingly vote to make themselves poorer, so long as they kept an income advantage over black people. Many white voters would rather vote themselves into penury rather than see one black person get any form of government assistance.
That’s all part of the brainwashing, look at what Trump sold them, the end of the elite’s hold over their lives… That’s a left side message! I’m 100% sure the vast majority of them wouldn’t care about the race of beneficiaries if they were given the chance to understand that both them and black folks wouldn’t be the ones paying for it, the actual elite would be, but media would never give them that chance.
It’s not brainwashing though. It’s a cynical, evil, but rational attempt at race- and gender-based privilege and affirmative action. White men enjoyed massive affirmative action for the entirety of the nation’s history up until very recently. All the good jobs were arbitrarily assigned to white men; they didn’t have to compete with the majority of the population. They had an artificially-high opportunity for success simply handed to them from birth.
Racism and sexism are evil, but they’re also rational. This isn’t just dumb idiots being exploited with false promises. It’s a racial and gender group coming together and saying, “we’re going to come together and vote ourselves unearned privilege and opportunities. We will use the power of our votes to raise ourselves up at the expense of everyone else.”
Racism isn’t irrational; it’s just evil. Racism and sexism are perfectly materially rational. They’re a conspiracy by one group to give themselves unearned opportunities, power, and wealth. Dismissing it as “brainwashing” just completely misses the point of racism.
They’re brainwashed into believing that the enemy is people like them except for their skin color and not the rich white men exploiting both them and their perceived enemy. These people aren’t born racist, but they’re born at the bottom of the socio-economic ladder.
That goes for all sides frankly
but they don’t agree with know anything about “the left” so they’re to the “right” of them.
FTFY.
People who call themselves centrist, are uneducated in regards to political terms. They don’t know what they are talking about, but assume they do and they never go out of their way to educate themselves on these matters.
Or they know exactly, but are straight up lying. Either way it means talking to those people is a waste of time.
The entire issue with “the middle ground” is that it’s based in relativistic politics which is a complete non-stater since their goal is specifically to not to commit enough to any action such that it actually succeeds. There’re no thoughts behind those eyes, just a weird and bad compromise because they don’t understand anything and are just barely good enough people to not go 100% into hating minorities.
Yes! These people don’t have strong enough opinions to change things, therefore they support the Status quo, which is conservative.
tetris11The study doesn’t match the headline.
Seriously. The rhetorical shift:
Study of American men’s self-reported political affiliation shows that “moderate” aligns pretty closely with “conservative.”
Headline assigns “moderate” political affiliation to Joe Biden, to suggest that Joe Biden’s policies align closely with “conservative.”
Biden campaigned on being the most progressive president in U.S. history. Did he deliver? Not on all metrics, but whatever it is he did, he wasn’t a secret conservative pretending to be moderate. The most you can accuse him of is being a moderate pretending to be progressive.
شاهد على إبادةSegregationist Biden is a moderate?
“I’m a liberal on health care because I believe it is a birth right of every human being—not just some damn privilege to be meted out to a few people. But when it comes to issues like abortion, amnesty, and acid, I’m about as liberal as your grandmother. I don’t like the Supreme Court decision on abortion. I think it went too far. I don’t think that a woman has the sole right to say what should happen to her body. I support a limited amnesty, and I don’t think marijuana should be legalized.”
Actions speak louder than words:
Definitely wasn’t disagreeing with you haha
“experts say” is a bullshit phrase
You can verify Biden’s racist and segregationist past, or just look at his administration’s complicity in war crimes.
Joe Biden Didn’t Just Vote for the Iraq Invasion—He Helped Lead the March to War
Domestically and internationally he wasn’t a moderate.
I never said he was. Quit making assumptions and have a conversation.
I’d just like to take a moment to say fck Hamas, fck anyone who supports terrorists, and f*ck anyone who thinks Joe Biden was responsible for “gEnOcIdE”.
“From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free destroyed and turned in to the Trump Resort/Casino Gaza because of dunces like me.” <— There, I fixed your little slogan for you.
(P.S. If you’re an American and you or your relatives get deported, don’t say people like me didn’t warn you.)
If you’re in the US and you or your relatives get deported to an El Salvadorian gulag, don’t say people like me didn’t warn you
…and when you are deported to an El Salvadorian gulag I won’t waste time bullshitting and finding excuses not to find solidarity with your plight, I will fight to bring you home and protect our human rights even though you act like a hateful child.
I won’t waste time bullshitting and finding excuses not to find solidarity with your plight, I will fight to bring you home and protect our human rights even though you act like a hateful child.
Stop lying. I’m a libertarian, if anything you far-lefties want people like me gone.
Gee, maybe we wouldn’t have to worry about El Salvadorian gulags AT ALL if Kamala won the election? If I can put aside my differences and vote for her then the “gEnOcIdE jOe” crowd has no excuse. F-ck them.
“Men on dating apps who say they’re moderate are conservative”
First, we knew that. Second, Biden is not on a dating app.
You sure about that?
You mean that the “hot senators in your area” ads are just scams!?!
Well, uh, which app do you have installed? I hear Grindr has trouble during the CPAC conventions.
Do you have a wide stance in the airport bathroom?
(Btw, these are the same people outlawing porn one state at a time.)
Biden was a fundamentalist catholic who thought homosexuality was a sin and abortion was murder.
Everything he did that could be considered progressive he did as a compromise to his own values - that’s what makes him a moderate.
That’s exactly the type of person this article is talking about.
Eh I’ve spoken to Biden personally about gay rights, dude’s not bigoted and leans into the progressive catholic church. His wife being a physician doesn’t see abortion as murder I don’t think. His conservative tendencies are that he’s establishment - he thinks he’s still playing the same football game they’ve been playing since he was a kid. He’s neoliberal as hell as is the entire Democratic leadership, which turns people off.
A catholic fundamentalist will only support marriage as a universal right when not supporting it becomes a liability, for the same reason catholicism and christianity writ large legitimized and supported the institutions of slavery and segregation for far longer than they were publicly popular for
Biden, for all his notable progressive compromises, will drag his feet against doing anything insufficiently popular, no matter how unjust the alternative is.
ἀνάγκηHis wife being a physician
She isn’t though. She’s an Ed.D (her doctorate is in education) not an MD.
She also has an MEd, which is a Master’s in Education. I think people like the one you’re replying to skim her Wiki and read it as Med, as in Medical, which is hilarious.
I think people like the one you’re replying to skim her Wiki and read it as Med, as in Medical, which is hilarious.
I hadn’t thought of that. You’re probably right.
This kind of “same guy both sides” mentality is why you guys are fucked and why you fucked the rest of the world and gave us trump, he’s the same as Biden right so why not? You guys were like “we will never vote for Biden! Sick of old white guys. We need something different!”
“Here’s an educated black woman instead “
“… no. Not that”
The American left has splintered and nobody is good enough or left enough for anyone else, if you’re even slightly right or even left of someone you may as well be a genocidal Nazi. Meanwhile the right united and smoked you guys. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised, the American left has to reflect American culture, after all you’re American, so no wonder the American left lost their mind
You realize not everyone is in USA, yes?
Did you even read my comment? It states clearly that if you’re not American it’s not about you
This kind of “same guy both sides” mentality is why you guys are fucked and why you fucked the rest of the world and gave us trump
I mean, you’re kinda talking directly to me.
we leftists around the world still have a brain
True, we could learn from you
Note to self: try insulting other leftists more?
You guys already do that, Democrat? Fuck you, centrist? Fuck you. Etc. that’s the point of my comment, that to you guys an ally is no longer acceptable