I am shocked, I say. Shocked! Well, not that shocked.

https://lemmy.world/post/29283226

I am shocked, I say. Shocked! Well, not that shocked. - Lemmy.World

Lemmy

This is some crazy doublethink shit. It’s clear just looking at the inconsistent interpretation from all the top-level comments that ‘centrist’ is a blanket term that both describes ‘centrist’ positions and also ‘left/right radicals’. The only consistent is whether the subject is subjecting the in-group to criticism

The same user constantly harps on ‘far-left’ progressives complaining about democratic positions, and calls himself a centrist.

This is just standard ‘out-group’ gatekeeping. “If you’re not with us, you’re against us” shit.

“Bothsides types are indistinguishable both in form and in end-result, regardless of whether they claim to be centrists or leftists”

“This is crazy doublethink shit!”

The same user constantly harps on ‘far-left’ progressives complaining about democratic positions, and calls himself a centrist.

what

Bothsides types are indistinguishable

… Yea, see there it is. “Bothsides types are indistinguishable [in the way they criticize my party]”

[in the way they criticize my party]

What

Don’t be dense. Define ‘bothsides type’ that includes all subsets of the group you’re talking about. I’d bet pretty penny it isn’t limited to people who use the phrase ‘both sides are exactly the same’.

I’m gonna guess this is pretty close: ‘someone who criticizes the democrats without clearly signaling their electoral support of them’

Or, put another way:

[in the way they criticize my party]

Don’t be dense. Define ‘bothsides type’ that includes all subsets of the group you’re talking about. I’d bet pretty penny it isn’t limited to people who use the phrase ‘both sides are exactly the same’.

Those who present of all major sides of an issue to be indistinguishable because they are both flawed, with the implicit or explicit exhortation to support neither, when there are obvious and important differences between the two with one being unambiguously preferable.

I’m gonna guess this is pretty close: ‘someone who criticizes the democrats without clearly signaling their electoral support of them’

I mean, harm reduction is not morally optional, but criticizing the Dems without signaling electoral support is not inherently a “BOTHSIDES” reaction, excepting, say, in the immediate lead-up to an election of unusual importance wherein the only realistic options are fascism or the Dems.

When there is an immediate crisis coming up, wherein messaging is extremely important, and you choose to amplify messages that help fascists without bothering to amplify messages that damage fascists, it’s difficult to see that as anything except service to fascism.

As a foreigner, I think dems are genociding scums and now when I bump into americans here I am as aggressive as they deserve