People think they miss manufacturing jobs. They donโ€™t. They miss social benefits guaranteed by a union.

40 hour work week? Union won.
Workerโ€™s comp insurance? Union won.
Overtime pay? Union won.

@jhankins This is absolutely true, but I do think people miss feeling like their labor is producing something useful to people like themselves, rather than being a complete and utter bullshit job making their boss even richer and making people like themselves deal with more and more bullshit in their everyday lives.
@dalias I still don't think there's going to be very many powerpoint artists looking for a job in a jeans factory at jeans factory wages though.
@jhankins

@fedops @jhankins The idea of a jeans factory in the sense that exists now, producing millions of units with the intent that most be thrown away for tax writeoffs and most of the rest worn a few times and thrown away, is obsolete anyway if we want a world that will continue to be livable.

Imagine instead though that labor were about developing and operating manufacturing technology to produce only what's wanted on demand, materials that last and that can be efficiently reclaimed when they don't, etc.

Instead of jobs to convince & manipulate people to shop for garbage.

@dalias yeah that would be nice. And in itself a much bigger change than "just" leftshoring manufacturing jobs again.

I don't think the phone sanitizers currently at the helm grasp this though, and it won't be in their interest anyway Seeing as they wrongshored everything for their own profit in the first place.
@jhankins

@fedops @jhankins Oh absolutely. I'm just exploring how "making things" vs "making things shit" fits into discontent & alienation experienced in labor.

@dalias am frequently thinking back to how quality and long-lasting products were made 100+ years ago. Let's say a cast-iron range, or a trolley car.

A worker was probably at least somewhat proud of their product. But even then capitalism alienated them from this feeling through hardships of labor and existential dread.
@jhankins

@fedops

Love the H2G2 reference. All those phone sanitizers still think the green leaves have "value."

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