DrunkEngineerCar-brains on vacation
That sign usually means no entry for bikes so I was confused for a moment
Now you are confusing me. I thought she is taking about the sign and about if someone would propose to put it in her town.
I think she means the whole idea of bike friendly infrastructure as a US citizen. But thats my interpretation, the comic isn’t very clear.
Yeah it is confusing. But as you pointed out the sign means no entry for bikes in most of the Europe, it doesn’t mean anything in US.
On the other hand this is titled car-brains on vacation. Implying they normally drive cars.
Really confusing.
I think a “biking prohibited” sign would have a wider black border.
The comic is clear. American suburbanites will go vacation in dense walkable European cities with good active transportation infrastructure and then will return home and attend city council meetings objecting to any plan that would bring similar changes to where they live.
The comic is a commentary on NIMBY behavior.
I agree the the comic is a bit confusing but to be fair it’s in black and white. A red border would mean no entry but a completely blue background would be only bikes allowed.
It makes sense to think that they are car owners that in their regular life wouldn’t tolerate bikes but on holidays find it great.
At least in Europe street signs are color blind friendly. Forbidden signs are white with a dark thick stroke around, while mandatory signs are solid dark color. The colors help, but are not necessary to distinguish the sign.
Don’t signs usually have a line through it when it means “no”, or is that just american signage?
European bike lanes (like this one should probably depict) are round and solid blue with a bike depicted on them.
In Europe, lanes, where biking is prohibited are denoted by a round white sign with a relative wide red border (circle) and a bike depicted at its center.
𝕲𝖑𝖎𝖙𝖈𝖍🔻𝕯𝖃 (he/him)if I didn’t already know better, i would have interpreted these two signs to be synonymous.
rnercleMandatory signs are road signs that are used to set the obligations of all traffic that uses a specific area of road. Most mandatory road signs are circular in shape and may use white symbols on a blue background with a white border, or black symbols on a white background with a red border, although the latter is also associated with prohibitory signs.
i am now more confused than I was before.
Learning Vienna Convention road signs takes a few minutes for the basic principles, an hour or two for the really arcane signs such as “watch out for carriages” and “levy ahead”.
The system is superior to the North American hell system by a huge margin, not least of which because it allows me to drive to Spain or Czechia without needing to study their traffic laws and learn the local language. The signs will be very similar and their meanings otherwise easy to intuit.
Now let me blow your mind: you already do this in NA. But you stopped at yield signs and stop signs. Their shape is immediately recognizable and parseable even if you don’t speak English or even if they are covered in snow (that’s on purpose). Now just imagine every sign is like that instead of the designers giving up and writing some text on a yellow rectangle. “Road work ahead”? Bitch, just put a schematic road worker in a red triangle instead of making me read shit at 90 km/h, this ain’t book club!
joel_feilaRed means stop not road work. Here orange is used for road work.
Plus some things really need text.
How would that 60 means 60 km to next town with the name.
How would that 60 means 60 km to next town with the name.
If it meant that it would have the name of the town on it.
Right so you can’t really remove all reading from road signs
You can’t claim superiority just because a lot of countries adopted it, you can only claim wide adoption
… I joke have gone with your view on the assumption that it’s a newer standard so likely better thought out, but not from this thread. Y’all are convincing me of the opposite
Us system makes better use of shapes, colors, and slashes to be more explicit
Us system makes better use of shapes, colors, and slashes to be more explicit
US system uses a lot of text, which is unquestionably bad. Also, it uses more slashed singes, which has upsides, it is indeed more intuitive, but also downsides, it’s more cluttered.
But it doesn’t really matter because you need to learn the system in any way, there isn’t one that is just intuitively known, and you have to learn both of them. And in this case I would prefer one that is more widely adopted.
The white zone is for loading and unloading only. There is no parking in the white zone.
One is for waterbikes, one is for Fancy Dress Bicycles Only
They don’t have Cotillion Warning Signage in Europe?
No wonder we have so much trouble getting along. /S
Yeah a / would make more intuitive.
Neither is more intuitive, it’s just what you’re used to, culturally. Europeans could equally go to America, see a white sign with black symbol and red border and remark upon learning that it indicates a bike lane ‘That’s just not intuitive’.
Yeah agree.
Bike lanes in NA are denigrated by the police/delivery drivers parking in them.
Swednecki mean red generally means something negative, presuming you’re not colour blind
Is there a problem having a little line through the thing you’re not supposed to do?
/American (sorry) question
HupfThat is used for cancelling a previous sign.
Ooooh how interesting!!
Thanks for the embeds as well
KSP AtlasThis is also used on town/city signs to indicate when you are leaving it (at least in Poland)
Technically that is also canceling the previous sign that said you are entering the town.
Now I want to expatriate for the sole purpose of swapping welcome to and you are leaving signs outside of small towns in Europe.
My interpretation:
1: Purposefully drive over all yellow squares.
2: No more 30 kph limit, fly, you fool!
Unfortunately, Americans often mis-interpret those as Speed Lines and put the pedal to the metal.
MisterFrogI feel like a single line through would have been the correct design choice, still, because in practically every other context, that’s what’s used (no smoking signs, for example).
Seems like many, many other places around the world put a line through for road signs (though a couple outside Europe don’t, and even some inside Europe do): en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibitory_traffic_sign
My 2¢, Europe is wrong on this one, despite being right on so much else haha
A line obscures the thing it’s trying to explain. Visually noisy, hard to read.
At least in the UK which has a lot of common signage with the rest of Europe you normally just have a red circle sign (generally prohibitive orders) with the picture of a disallowed vehicle in. Or a blank interior for ‘no vehicles’. www.gov.uk/guidance/…/traffic-signs
In the Netherlands (where this is depicted) it’s typically a white sign with black letters and a red line around it for prohibited, or blue with white text for required
So a white sign with black numbers 80 and a red line around it means prohibited to drive faster than 80, s similar sign with a biker means forbidden for bikes there. If it’s a blue sign with a bike, it means bikes are required ro go here.
A line through it actually means “end of this particular prohibition”
…does a blue sign with a white 80 mean you must travel at least that quickly?..we have minimum speeds posted stateside, although it’s not common…
Yeah, as far as I learned, that would be the minimum speed you have to drive in this segment of the road.
Usually, as crossed out sign means it got annulled but there are also some signs, like the sign prohibiting U-turns that have a line through them. But generally the coloring is the major indicator.
I can only talk about the Netherlands: Round white sign with a red band, black letters: maximum speed Square blue sign with white letters, advisory speed (advisory speed < maximum speed - 20 )
There is no minimum speed (round blue sign white letters): this is for the simple reason you could technically be ticketed in the case of a traffic jam, yield sign or traffic light
We have minimum speeds in the Netherlands at least because driving too slow is either a nuisance or outright dangerous on a highway
qevlarrThis should be in drivers education in Europe
they are, aren’t they? not with a banana ofc, but I know they are classified based on shape and color.
Drivers in Europe, and I assume most of the world, do have to have several theoretical classes about driving and safety to earn their license. Is this not the case where you live?
Yes of course. It is super rigorous. With both required extensive theoretical classes, theoretical test, required session with driving on ice, minimum hours of driving, and a driving test.
I mean’t the humor for teaching it
Also, stop signs are hexagonal and yield signs triangular so you could notice them even when they’re not facing you.
Stop signs are octagonal.
Red state. We can’t afford the extra 2 sides.
Thanks, forgot how the shapes work lol
Or when covered in snow or if the sign is badly damaged
Eager Eagleinstructions unclear, the banana is up my ass
You missed the “Caution: A Bannana” sign then didn’t you?
there were three bananas before the caution sign and I slipped
Vandals_handleAh , you’ve got the instructions upside-down. I’ll help…
Thats confusing.
You must pay the rent
I can’t pay the rent
We ain’t got the money for the mortgage on the farm!