Most Americans see Trump as "dangerous dictator," poll says

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Most Americans see Trump as "dangerous dictator," poll says - Lemmy.World

A majority of Americans say President Trump is a “dangerous dictator” who poses a threat to democracy and believe he’s overstepped his authority by actions such as the mass firing of federal employees, a new survey says. The wide-ranging poll released Tuesday, on Trump’s 100th day in office, is the latest sign of him losing support for his immigration and economic policies — the two issues that largely fueled his election.

Take the MAGA cult out of the poll and it’s more like high 60s to low 70s.

That seems low to me.
There’s the ostrich/head in the sand types who stay oblivious on purpose.
Yeah, I definitely have some left leaning friends that are like this. Whenever I bring it up they are like “Nah, it’s not that bad. They wouldn’t actually do any of that.”

that’s why i’ve been documenting the horrors i can find evidence of in my town. too many white liberals think because nothing bad has happened to them means that nothing bad could be happening. their peaceful homogonized neighborhoods are pretty evenly split between white liberals and white conservatives, and they get along fine with the conservatives and assume that’s how the cons treat everyone.

this is part of how the overton window shifts rightward. the more isolated someone is, the easier they are to manipulate. these isolated white liberals lack diversity of perspective but value open mindedness as a virtue. the only people they encounter who disagree with them look like them, talk like them, and eat like them. the only difference is they don’t value open mindedness. they want to maintain a community of only people who look like them, talk like them, and eat like them.

resisting fascism starts at home. it starts by choosing to inherit the stories of our past and speak of this truth to others. coalition building is a process of both finding people you can trust and a process of notifying people that their one PoV isn’t the only way to see the world and that they might have work to do

There’s also people that just assume it’s more of the usual WEE-WOO-WEE-WOO FOX NEWS ALERT OBAMA WORE A TAN SUIT AND USED TO SMOKE, IS HE THE ANTI-CHRIST?! WEE-WOO-WEE-WOO MITT ROMNEY SAID HE HAS BINDERS FULL OF WOMEN* stuff and don’t pay any mind. We’re some of the most heavily propagandized people on earth, and some folks choose to save their sanity by just ignoring it. Trump’s bullshit has actually been bad enough to burst the bubble for a few of these people.

  • Binders full of women was legitimately just fucking funny. I actually laughed when I heard the debate live on the radio. For proof that Romney is a lizard person, you have to look at how he strapped the family dog to the roof of their car to go on vacation.
Romney did WHAT??

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltCIEbLMaQg

So strange to see things making fun of the Republicans pre-Trump. The reality is far, far worse than the way even the most scathing mockery depicted them.

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Oh, yeah, you didn’t know about that? Romney was even the one who spilled the beans, he was telling a fun and completely normal human story about how he took his family on a road trip, and the dog, being strapped to the roof, got so freaked out that it had diarrhea all over the roof of the car and he had to go into a car wash and rinse the car off. I don’t remember if he said he took the dog off to wash the car, but one can hope that he at least managed to emulate that level of human behavioral subroutines.

And Noem bragged about shooting her dog. And RFK Jr is the bear roadkill guy.

What the fuck is wrong with these people?

I think that church has a lot to do with some of it. Church has become, for many evangelicals, a weekly dose of assurance. Instead of an opportunity to improve themselves or question how they can lead a better life, it’s a temple of worshipping the self as it already exists. “Welcome to church, you are right about everything and God loves you. They are wrong about everything and God hates them. God bless, see you at Denny’s, don’t forget to not leave a tip”
That’s not unreasonable. Religious types trend conservative/fundamentalist globally.
Also in the case of Romney in particular he is Mormon who tend to scale onto the crazier side of things.

Yeah, a lot of evangelical churches make it abundantly clear that as long as you love Jesus, you can be a giant piece of shit otherwise and still get into heaven.

As a kid I appreciated that line of thinking because I thought it allowed us to strive for better, accept that we’re all flawed, but still understand we’re all worthy of love.

Instead, as I was a teenager watching these same folks froth at the mouth and cheer for blood in Afghanistan and Iraq, I realized it was a way to reconcile any damn horrible thing they wanted to do. A cloak for depravity and hate.

Yeah, it was the people that drove me from the faith as well. Christianity would be so much nicer if Christians had listened to Jesus
RFK jr is also the “mutilated a whale carcus and strapped the severed head to the roof of their car” guy
Some people are racist/transphobic enough to put up with bad policy as long as it allows them to persecute their chosen group.
So roughly 70% of sane Americans recognize we’re living under a dictator and yet we do hardly anything in revolt. Do they not realize that by the time the gas chambers are on our soil it’ll be too late?

Do they not realize that by the time the gas chambers are on our soil it’ll be too late?

"Not all Americans." Not yet enough Americans, of course, but there are dozens of us. DOZENS!

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hands_Off_protests

I disagree that there’s no one doing anything. The largest protest in US history happened. And two motherfuckers tried to get him got. I obviously don’t endorse violence but it’s an action.

Hands Off protests - Wikipedia

Yeah the protests is why I said “hardly anything” as opposed to nothing, because while they ARE happening I’m a bit more results driven and have yet to see any.
You’re telling me that fascism wasn’t defeated by my witty sign?!?

It’s easy to be cynical. I do it all the time. But an autocrat with 20% approval is much, much different than one with 80% approval.

If nothing else, protests and direct action made Elon Musk sad and that’s a side quest complete.

It would be more accurate to say that not enough is being done, and we should try and figure out why it is and how to fix it
We need to socially shun MAGAs. No positions of leadership for them anymore
Those are some bleak fucking numbers

FTA:

For example, most Americans (61%) disagree that the federal government should place immigrants who are in the country illegally in internment camps guarded by the U.S. military until they can be deported.

Only 61%? Have I lost my fucking mind? This feels unbelievable to read.

Right? Like I thought everyone agreed the Japanese internment camps was a dark spot on our history.

Guess it’s just because we like the Japanese now?

I thought everyone agreed the Japanese internment camps was a dark spot on our history.

They did, but a frightening percentage of the population were bothered that it didn’t go far enough.

Yeah. I’m in Merced, CA, which was one of the initial collection points for detained Japanese Americans before they were put in the internment camps. We have a little memorial at the fair grounds, which is where they were collected up at. I’ve always believed that people 50, 100, 200, and 2000 years ago really aren’t fundamentally different than people today, and anyone today who professes to be disgusted by Jim Crow but still embraces modern forms of oppression would have embraced Jim Crow back then. We’re seeing that now. These folks, without even a second thought, will eagerly embrace Hispanic internment camps while denouncing the Japanese internment camps as something that never should have happened, and dismiss any semblance with a thought terminating “but this is different.”

This is really well said. Throughout history, you can reliably find people on both sides of moral and humanitarian issues like this. There were Roman elite who spoke out against slavery in antiquity, there were Brits who mocked the American Colonies for owning slaves while founding a country based on freedom, there have always been men who believed in equal treatment and rights for women. Right and wrong is usually pretty clear, and in general regular people throughout the ages have been able to recognize which is which. Our values haven’t changed much, but our systems of power and accountability have.

That said, I also believe a good amount of the right wing backlash against the internment camps was performative. Because up until relatively recently, many racists themselves understood that their beliefs were terrible, so they at least tried to hide their true feelings and spoke out against obvious atrocities like this in public. But that was only so they could be accepted by the wider culture, and so they could continue to participate in left-coded spaces. They don’t need to hide how awful they are anymore because the president is leading by example.

I think the biggest thing I learned this last election is just how much of the country are HUGE pieces of shit. I thought there were maybe 15-20% that were on board with this Nazi shit. It’s well over double that.

We fucked up during Reconstruction, and we fucked up again after WWII. Every single Confederate/Nazi should’ve been disposed of and never allowed to have any influence whatsoever. Instead the cancer has metastasized to every single organ in the body.

We have to learn our lesson and not repeat it no matter how many crocodile tears are pleas to Civility and mercy there are, even if they come from liberals. Not going far enough is a bigger risk than going too far
Yeah, unfortunately it’s about 1/3 of the country

Operation Paperclip would like to have a word.

I think your original estimate is correct, but the problem is that they’ve captured enough media outlets that sow doubt about right-wingers’ true natures to make another 20-30% just uncertain enough to vote for the nazis.

Agree with your remediation, though. Confederates, Nazis, and J6ers are enemies of the state and should be forever barred from holding public office.

It’s a ton of the media really, not ‘just enough’ afaict. So much reporting from all the US mainstream media treats everything he says with kid gloves. If he invaded canada tomorrow the headline on CNN would be something like “US military deployed in proactive peacekeeping mission to the north”.

I mean “just enough” in terms of uncertainty, not in terms of the number of news organizations.

Though I also think that there’s a matter of degrees here. Some news orgs are doing some heavy water-carrying, normalizing a lot of really non-normal stuff. Some are definitely trying to hedge their bets, being as deferential to the regime as they reasonably can in hopes that they can fly under the radar. And some of them are actually doing really good and unbiased reporting work, but not rising to the occasion of providing the necessary context required to show how much of a crisis this administration is.

And of course there are full-blown propaganda factories, and fully-independent news sources doing great reporting with great context. But both of those are pretty uncommon.

Sherman had the right idea.
For any election anywhere, approximately 35% are going to be batshit. 61% is super close to “everyone who isn’t batshit” category. That’s an amazing election number.
If that’s true, sounds like NOW is the time to ACT since we aren’t picking up anyone else. Right?
That fact is going to haunt me in the late hours of the day. I didn’t think that the second standard deviation of political views equated to “absolutely batshit insane”.
It’s sort of the nice way to put dumb, being conned, ignorant, racist and shitty.
I’m really curious what percentage of conservatives fit in each of those buckets. Like 40% ignorant/lazy, 25% conned, 35% racist and shitty. Dunno how you’d find that out though.
The movement of the Overton Window has caused some significant issues, that’s for sure.
It has not. This is the same group of people who were (and still are) young earth creationists 20 years ago. 1/3 of the American population is just completely divorced from reality, and will believe any stupid bullshit an authority figure tells them.
But that’s what I’m saying. 20 years ago, those people were at least somewhat fringe; I was pretty closely adjacent to them geographically. The shifting of the Overton Window has led to them seeming somewhat reasonable to a decent chunk of people.

Consider that surveys also indicate that 30-40% of the US are essentially “Trump No Matter What” people. Maybe some variation depending on the issue.

So 60% isn’t too far off the mark for people not supporting everything trump does.

Day 100 of not letting it be forgotten that the republicans led a massive, distributed campaign of targeted vote rejection. They spent years getting true believers and laws and rules to support them put into place throughout states and counties, and it bore fruit. There was a disproportionately high number of ballot challenges this last election, and black folks got their ballots tossed a staggering 900% more often than white folks. There’s likely a very large number of people who thought they voted in this last election and have no idea that their ballot got tossed.
61% disagree, 19% agree, 20% are worried that if they answer wrong they’ll be next
WHAT!?!?! The guy that said he would be a dictator on day one is a dictator on day one!?!?! Who could have seen this coming!?!?!

All of these polls are completely useless. Trump has a 30-40% base of supporters. So naturally, all polls about Trump will show a majority against him.
Unfortunately, 30-40% is more than enough.
Cause another 50%+ will never resist in any way, and will still plead “this must be a mistake” when the brownshirts break down their door, take their life savings, and order their daughter to undress in front of them.

30% support is what the Nazis in Germany had, with 10% actual Nazi party members.

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Almost like these people should have voted for Harris then or some shit. Who would have known, right? 🙄
Yeah but for sure you can’t vote for a woman!?!
I voted for Clinton and Harris enthusiastically. Are they perfect candidates? No. No candidate is perfect, and that’s the problem with online leftists. Seemingly, they will only get off the couch when they have 100% of what they want. This is also why the party doesn’t court leftists in this country. Because even if they give them 80% of what they want, that 20% will keep them on the internet complaining they’re not getting that 20.

Yep. All or nothing, perfect or bust, nothing is ever fucking good enough. They’ll screech for that last 20% (fair enough) but when they realize they might only get 80%, they’ll sit on their ass on election day or vote 3rd party to “teach them a lesson”.

I agree with them on pretty much most things, but my god, they’re fucking insufferable.

Exactly. I’m very liberal, but I’m also a pragmatist. If we get half of the shit we want, lets fucking go. The idea that every single promise Biden had given that wasn’t fulfilled was a reason to sit out was fucking stupid. The biggest one was student loan forgiveness. He did something, and the fucking republicans played lawfare to stop it and even then he still forgave almost a quarter of a billion dollars in loan debt.

Like…

How fucking entitled, and spoiled are you, that you let perfect be the enemy of good? Get out of your privileged bubble, and actually pull the fucking dog sled with everyone, instead of standing off to the side on how you’d do it better.

How fucking entitled, and spoiled are you, that you let perfect be the enemy of good? Get out of your privileged bubble, and actually pull the fucking dog sled with everyone, instead of standing off to the side preaching about how you’d do it better.

👏

My favorite excuse I’ve heard is “Well, Trump getting elected isn’t my fault. I didn’t vote, which means I didn’t vote for him”.

If the technology existed for me to punch someone via the internet, I would have used it. And I’m a pretty peaceful guy lol.

Broooo I know it’s like… Fuck dude you need smacked across the mouth for talking like that.

How fucking lazy some of these people are, you know?