Microsoft rolls Windows Recall out to the public nearly a year after announcing it

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Microsoft rolls Windows Recall out to the public nearly a year after announcing it - Lemmy.ca

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I opt-out.
Me too… well using linux is technically opting out to that right?
It’s the only way to be sure Microsoft won’t sneakily turn it back on.
At least until they sneak it into VS Code’s telemetry. …only sort of joking.
VS Codium to the rescue.
neovim to the rescue.

I spent a couple of weeks trying to get used to vim and in the end I just figured that whatever performance boost I’m supposed to get by not having a UI, I lose by having to learn vim.

People who use bim need to be on some kind of government watch list.

The issue isn’t that you opt out.

The issue is that universities, libraries, government departments funded by your taxes are not opting out.

Just like opting out of using a Microsoft account to log into windows, the grips will get tighter and tighter over time until you are forced to use butt hole ID to unlock your screen.
While I very much dislike that too, it’s very easy to opt out. Just use Windows Pro, Enterprise, or education.
I haven’t used windows home in decades, I deal with new installs of pro/enterprise all the time. You have to jump hoops now to create a local account.

Nah, you just select domain join. I did that a few weeks ago on a Win 11 enterprise install.

But if you deal with new installs “all the time” you should really consider automating the setup and domain joining, instead of manually creating local accounts and then domain joining.

Domain or azure ad join is what I’m used to, but for personal machines and friends/family I do local accounts.
laughs in Linux
There’s nothing to laugh about. The maniacally evil thing about recall is, that it doesn’t matter what you do to keep your devices clean. If you interact with someone who doesn’t keep his devices clean, which is 100% of us, you’re on recall
Good thing I have no friends to interact with then! Take that, Microsoft!
My windows10 install still asks me to complete the setup…lol no
Roll it back in please.
Would be interesting to see how microsoft kills windows in the long term and then be shocked as to how this happened
Kind of like how they fucked up and let zoom become the pandemic program everyone used despite skype being so established it had already become a verb like google? M$ really racking up those wins recently

Zoom was already everywhere in the business world before the pandemic.

Seems like Skype was only for personal users who were not very techy and wanted to make free calls overseas.

Yeah Skype was already dead by then and when normies wanted to start using video calls on the reg, they ended up with zoom either because their work were already using it elsewhere or from being recommended by others that had that as their reason.
Or the windows phone too
Zoom was so bad, too. It was so unreliable, it was missing basic features, the UI was unfriendly.
They’ve improved on each of these things slightly since then.
But it’s a testament to how bad Skype was that Zoom was found to be preferable.

get linux if you haven’t already

if you don’t know how, ask, Lemmy is covered in Linux users

I’m building a new gaming PC and it’s going to be a Linux build and if it doesn’t work the way you guys keep insisting it doesn’t ill I swear to God.

My last experience with Linux was with Ubuntu about 10 years ago and I can’t say it was a particularly great experience I’m hoping that in the last decade it’s improved its user experience.

I’m migrating to Linux Mint, 99% of steam games work as well as on windows. Those who don’t are mostly multiplayer games that insist to have some shitty kernel anticheat.

I’ll still keep windows on dual boot when I need it, though.

Shit , I just installed oblivion reboot and worked on day 1 without issues in popOS.

Gaming is such a nonissue on Linux now

NVIDIA drivers finally behaving well?

Last tried gaming on Linux Mint 2 years ago faced a lot of graphic glitches, full screen issues, pointer issues.

Finally gave up.

I had NVIDIA gpu though

Yeah, I’m on a 3080ti and don’t have issues with the drivers in the pop store
No nvidia issues in mint for the past two years that I have been using it
NVIDIA GTX is still a crapshoot if you wanted to play games on an older system (at least with modern desktop environments that use wayland) and RTX is going to be fine for most things unless you wanted to use Steam Gaming Mode on bazzite (because it was built with AMD in mind and uses APIs that the equivalent in the nvidia drivers are buggy - but they seem to not matter when in games because devs make them work on both cards or have just accidentally avoided those APIs - I’m guessing that’s the reason - I think it’s vulkan related iirc)
I switched two Months ago to Mint and have no issues with a 1070. Even G sync works :)
I’d have to disagree that it’s a non issue it’s definitely improved, but I still come across little irritations that pop up on Linux but not Windows games.

It’s a non issue for most games, which is great but every now and then there’s a game that’s too tightly integrated into windows (like phasmophobia and it using the cortan API of all things for voice chat) or one that relies on an incompatible anti cheat system.

The Linux community need to figure out a new friendly standard to ensure anti cheat without out needing to act like a backdoor to the root kernel. I wish I was smart enough to help with that sort of stuff.

I think Valve and Arch are working on that with their collab on the secure signing enclave.
Well no Helldivers if I go that route
Maybe too late, but,no tux, no bux.
What’s that mean
There are more games than you could ever play in a lifetime that now support Tux, the Linux mascot. I won’t purchase a game that I can’t play on Linux. If that means I miss out on a few AAA games I’m ok with that.
Helldivers works fine on Linux, I play it from time to time.
Usually it works every once and a while they have an update that breaks shit but they usually fix it pretty quickly.
Gold rating on protondb
https://www.protondb.com/app/553850
ProtonDB | Game Details for HELLDIVERS 2

How well does HELLDIVERS 2 work on Linux and the Steam Deck?

Nobara or Bazzite are your best Linux options for gaming. I’ve been on Nobara for over a year with nothing but good things to say about the distro and its community.
I have Linux up and running and it’s definitely improved, I’ve fixed almost all the issues I’ve had previously. Unfortunately, discord is missing attenuation on Linux. This is a real problem for me and if I could find a solution, I could ditch windows.

Discord in browser doesn't work?

Either way, discord is like Facebook... Yes it is useful but it is also fucking cancer vis a vis privacy

Discord works but there is no attenuation feature in Linux or the browser version

I also tried Ubuntu 10 years ago and threw it away in anger. Have been using mint for over a year now and game on it regularly. All I really needed to know was: use proton and add ‘gamemoderun %command%’ into the launch option of the game.

Except for mods on Nier. That was a hassle.

Its actually more annoying on the work computer. Ms office windows apps are kind of great compared to libreoffice, especially with the collaboration options. But Linux is nicer to do dev work on so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Ms office windows apps are kind of great compared to libreoffice

Did you give OnlyOffice a try? flathub.org/apps/org.onlyoffice.desktopeditors

Install ONLYOFFICE Desktop Editors on Linux | Flathub

Office productivity suite

Flathub - Apps for Linux
I did, it is a little easier for me to use than libre.

AMD or NVidia?

Most games that I play work well on Linux. Anti-cheat stuff can be an exception though so best to ensure what you enjoy works.

Please update this if you fun into the usual brick wall of hand modifying config files or self-compiling some obscure git pull just to make basic things like audio and network work.

How many people have these issues with audio and networking? I currently have 8 Linux computers and none of this has been necessary on any of them. It surprises me how many people claim to have endless difficult experiences. Many distros make it all very easy these days.

And editing a config file is hardly a “brick wall”.

Its definitely a brick wall to a majority of people using Windows right now.
If you made it to Lemmy, it probably isn’t. I’d bet most Windows users here have modified their registry files at least once. If you can do that, you can handle Linux without an issue. People just forget how much they’ve had to deal with on Windows, but expect Linux to have zero problems.

editing a config file is hardly a “brick wall”.

No it’s not but it’s also not something I’m prepared to put up with. When I turn my computer on it’s because I have something I want to do and the thing I want to do with it is not mess with basic the configuration.

Personally I’d advise against linux then. even if it means a million downvotes here.

Windows or actually OSX (if you’re ok with mac hardware) or chromeos will work much better for people who don’t ever want to do any basic configuration of their system. All of those have their own issues of course, so it’s a tradeoff for the user to consider. If doing no basic config is the #1 requirement, then I think that rules out linux as the correct choice.

If a user would stay maybe 12-24 months behind the cutting edge then they might be ok with a rolling release. The one time I did get a latest gen Wifi/BT card, I had to migrate from Debian to Arch to get it working.

I belive the only way youll get that experince with linux is with defined hardware - laptops or steamdeck. Linux is never going to cover all possible bleeding edge hardware combinations in a custom PC with no user config effort.

Until or unless linux becmes bigger than MS, and all HW manufactures get theur linux drivers working before the device goes on sale, as a matter of course. Never gonna happpen unless MS actually goes bust or something. I can’t see linux ever competing in B2B market; do all linux distributers combined have the resources to smarm up to a million corpo procurement twats? I don’t think so.

I have a question. Have you modified registries in Windows? If so, you’ve done harder stuff than Linux will ask of you already. You just don’t think about it anymore.

Once Linux is set up (which is trivial now), it’s easier to manage than Windows. How often do you have something to do, launch the app, the app sends you to a website for an update, then you have to navigate there and download it, run it, and restart? On Linux, as long as you tell your package manager to update occasionally, all your applications will be kept up to date. Applications don’t have to manage updates themselves and you just need to hit a few buttons or type one command and you’re updated.

If you’re going that far, you’ve taken a wrong turn somewhere. Please ask for help before digging into compiling stuff, unless that’s what you’re into, there’s probably a simpler solution.