DNC pushes back on David Hogg’s plans to support primary challenges against Democratic incumbents | CNN Politics

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DNC pushes back on David Hogg’s plans to support primary challenges against Democratic incumbents | CNN Politics - Lemmy.World

>Democratic National Committee Chairman Ken Martin will call for DNC officials’ neutrality to be codified in the party’s official rules and bylaws, two Democratic sources tell CNN. Martin has already been telling DNC members of his plans and will explain more in a call with members Thursday afternoon. > >. . . “No DNC officer should ever attempt to influence the outcome of a primary election, whether on behalf of an incumbent or a challenger,” Martin told reporters on a call Thursday. “Voters should decide who our primary nominees are, not DNC leadership.” > >The DNC’s Rules & Bylaws committee is expected to vote on Martin’s proposal next month in a virtual meeting. If the committee approves the proposal it will advance to a full vote of the DNC membership in August. > >The push for the new rule comes days after Hogg, who beat out a crowded field to become one of three DNC at-large vice chairs in February, announced his plan to help primary incumbent Democrats in safe districts through his group Leaders We Deserve. The organization plans to spend a total of $20 million in next year’s midterms supporting young people running for office. > >Hogg stressed that his effort would not target Democrats in competitive districts or use any DNC resources, including voter files or donor lists. He told CNN in an interview last week that he would not endorse in the presidential primaries if he is still a DNC leader. > >“I don’t take it personally,” Hogg said of the criticism of his primary challenge. “There’s a difference in strategy here, and the way that we think things need to be done.”

No DNC officer should ever attempt to influence the outcome of a primary election

Yeah, the DNC would never do that.

Yeah I would second the view, if it weren’t for decades of the opposite of the DNC bending over backwards for it’s incumbants. If they had a history of staying neutral and not regularly backing the incumbents. But as they do… then the opposite needs to happen.
I wouldn't mind then backing the incumbents, if the incumbents had any fucking spine to stand up to the Republicans.

well yeah… backing should be merit based not seniority based. You’ve been there 30 years, and no one knows what the hell you are doing, you’ve not fought for anything we want. Get lost… if you’re still backing good policies, standing up for what’s right and making people happy, stick around as long as you want.

A bit of why I fear the general concept of term limits. Bernie sanders is still far and away one of the best in congress. He’s old as fuck, been there forever… but easilly in the top 5 most active senators…

Yeah I would second the view, if it weren’t for decades of the opposite of the DNC bending over backwards for it’s incumbants.

For centrist incumbents. Henry Cuellar gets protection. Cori Bush and Jamaal Bowman do not.

Looking at YOU 2016…
Don’t forget 2020
And 2022. They did ad buys for republican candidates in the primaries and then gleefully announced that they had no money for progressive candidates in the general.

uh huh.

if bernie actually did the work to attract me actual base of the party, which by the way are not college age kids but black people, specifically black women, he would not have lost the primary.

and since that election he had another 4 years to work on his extreme deficit with black voters, but had zero outreach with that cohort. instead he doubled down on the youth vote.

that’s not a strategy to win a primary. but it’s a perfect strategy to try to split off young voters into not supporting the democratic choice in the future. and not shutting down conspiracy theories about rigged primaries doesn’t help either. what it does is create distrust where there shouldn’t be, fracture the party to turn against itself instead of the real threat which is the republican party, and in fact increase the chances that republicans win in greater margins because the super bernie side refuses to be smart and do damage limitation by not voting for the viable non republican candidate.

and by the way a few additional things that need to be considered:

  • if he wants the democratic nomination, why doesn’t he formally join the party? what he was asking for has been equal access to resources without a full commitment to the party. you all would rightfully object if I declared I’m running for president as a democrat even though I’m a registered non partisan. what makes him any different from me as far as the party is concerned?
  • it really is rich how you are all upset about the democrats (allegedly) putting the thumb on the scale for a candidate so now there is a pledge that all people in dnc leadership have to agree to that formally states that leadership will be neutral in all party races from now on. so which is it, you don’t want the dnc influencing races or do you not want the voters in the districts to decide who their candidates should be without party influences?
  • you also all think that the super progressive democratic candidate will play everywhere in the country. sure, it may work where I live. but I’m a blue® dot in a state trump won by 31 points. you have to run candidates that will win and super liberals in places like appalachia, oklahoma, or wyoming would consider it a good race if they lost by 50 points.
  • what it seems like to me is that what the vast majority of people here want is to destroy the democratic party from the ground up in the name of a stupid purity test the vast majority of the party does not agree with, and they want to do it while the most dangerous, insane person who is also the head of a violent cult is in the white house. you’re trying to make your own left wing cult with either bernie or aoc as the head and the rest of the party is not with that.

    as I said above I’m not a registered democrat. I find myself politically closer to aoc and bernie. and I’M telling y’all that following and supporting hogg’s move will end the democratic party or any viable non republican party for generations.

    Black women are not the base of the party, that’s a common misconception.

    In 2023, just 14.4% of the US population identified as black. Women are just over 50% of that.

    pewresearch.org/…/facts-about-the-us-black-popula…

    www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/…/PST045224#…

    So Just over 7% of the US population are black women. You don’t win elections catering to 7% of the population. Even if they all vote for you, which they won’t, a party can’t survive on 7%.

    The Democratic party represents 45.1 million people out of 186.5 million people registered to vote. 24.18% of the voting population.

    usafacts.org/…/how-many-voters-have-a-party-affil…

    Facts About the U.S. Black Population

    Key statistics and data about the demographic, geographic and economic characteristics of the U.S. Black population.

    Pew Research Center

    No no. See the Democrats need to only hyper focus on specific groups or even just specific counties in states cause their brother they paid 3 million dollars to to consult on their campaign said their intern ran a computer model and decided that was a group they could pick up more votes in. And don’t you know hyper specific identity politics is clearly more superior to general pro-citizen policies that would support a wider populace cause aiming for a wide audience is something only Republicans can do.

    We just have to be excited for the flavor of the week getting their extra attention and hyper specific to the point of unhelpful policies if we vote DNC.

    Pictures of Bernie getting arrested protesting for civil rights contrasted with Biden’s fight against school integration should have been enough to put that to rest. But people are going to believe what they believe. If the fact that the DNC is corrupt, had a lawsuit they won about not being open (kind of like that Fox News lawsuit where they didn’t have to report the truth), and that the DNC bullshit has been a factor in getting that orange fuckhead elected twice isn’t enough, I’m not sure where to go from there.
    Pretty sure they got the memo
    Debbie NEVER Could’ve
    I hope this kid haunts their fucking nightmares. Cunts.

    Fascinating stuff.

    I am not American (have previously lived in North America for a decade and travelled extensively in the region), but based on my experiences this is a very a good example of how the US centre-right opposition is completely unqualified for any kind of real action. They clearly lack the risk tolerance and gumption to deal with current internal challenges in the country.

    Yep! As an American who has been active in local Dem party activity, they need to be rooted out and replaced. It’s really our best hope.

    They clearly lack the risk tolerance and gumption to deal with current internal challenges in their country.

    I didn’t get that from the article. I thought the article was showcasing some real gumption to change things, something the RNC would never dream of in a million years (or need to).

    Respect to David Hogg. I meant this in a more broader perspective.

    I am comparing to global examples. One would be Hong Kong. They failed, but they actually were able to shut down the local airport for a short period.

    Or say the initial phase of the Syrian revolution. The population openly protested against a brutal regime that was in power for many decades and there were many examples of their brutality.

    I specifically chose failed or highly controversial situations (to highlight how a fight for freedom involves scary and painful choices, this is not a movie). From my experience living in the US, I thought local risk tolerance was low. On a certain level, the US is too well off to have the motivation for resistance (be it mass scale ptotest, 10% of pop or more, weekly protest or violent rebellion).

    I don’t know how to say it diplomatically, but true fight for freedom doesn’t seem like the American way.

    1982 Hama massacre - Wikipedia

    Things will get progressively worse for more Americans soon enough. Those who are hip to the scene already probably can’t accelerate the process of awakening that will come. We are all Cassandra here. It hella sucks.

    Economic doldrums if not depression, pandemics and a fragmented response in the coming autumn if not sooner.

    Accelerating assaults on due process.

    New public enemy groups generated at will.

    All them that know can do is build capacity to organize as the general realization emerges. It won’t happen soon enough for my taste. We are trying to redirect a high mass object and even in politics, the physics here is clear.

    My plan is to be as social as I know how to be this summer. It’s not escapism. I’m building my network.

    Hopefully also getting laid.

    The first rule of the rebellion is to be sure that at least the sex is good.

    Literally none of this is based off what voters want.

    How would the DNC know to put into elections if they aren’t available during the primary?? Do they operate off of vibes and random phone polls?

    If voters want to risk losing even more seats to Republicans then you deserve the hell you’re building.
    "Neutrality" is just (very thin) cover for supporting the status quo, when what we need is a complete change.

    Neutrality is the opposite of what they always get accused of by the people who love to shit on the Dems. So it’s not the status quo. Or it is. But it can’t be both.

    People need to make up their minds why they’re mad about it.

    Neutrality for thee but not for me. They want neutrality from Hogg, but were delighted with partiality in the opposite direction for decades.
    Stuff like this is why I left the dem party, they're only strong opponents to progressives, not conservatives.
    The best summary I ever saw of them was:
    GOP: "fascism"
    DNC: "fascism ✨🏳️‍🌈"
    So the party you went to was what? Is it better?

    I just went with independent, which removes me from the "primaries", but also removed me from all the non-stop text messages and phone calls begging for money to support a party that does little more than shrug non-committaly.
    So, no? I'm from the US, I don't really get a choice in ISP, phone network, or political representative, but boy I sure do get to pick from a number of different cereals.

    I am more active at the very local level, though, which seems to be the only place an individual can have impact.

    Fair enough then. Probably not a good national strategy but personally it sounds ok.
    Heres' the one that I saw:
    Is it about the railroad workers strike? Because the Biden Admin did get them their sick days during his term.

    I like how they think of codifying shit when something happens around them or to them.

    But don't ever think to codify things everyone else needed to be codified.

    Agree. The Biden Administration (Harris too) could have codified many protections against what Trump said he would do and the things in Project 2025.

    They.Did.Nothing.

    Oh look. The Dems rolling out the same shit since 2015 thinking it’ll work. They are corporate controlled opposition and nothing more. We need a new party ideally, but Hogg needs support from other members who also are tired of the party being The Washington Generals of well, Washington.

    I think the article is saying they’re not doing the same shit. Not doing it in two different ways, even.

    And I’m all for electing the best people to get what we want, but Deez Nutz and Jill Stein ain’t gonna get it. Reforming the DNC is our best shot.

    Jill Stein should be nowhere near even the idea of a reform coalition.
    100% agree. So what’s the plan?

    Reforming the DNC is our best shot.

    Primarying all the useless centrists is the best way to do that. Which is why democrats are losing their shit over this, but were happy to vote for trump’s continuing resolution a few weeks back.

    centrists oppose the left and work with the right.

    Despite the naysaying, isn’t this a good thing? Seems the new chair wants impartiality and if codified then should be a wide open contest.

    It’s exactly what the Democratic party should want. Just not necessarily the Democrat politicians who may have overstayed their welcome.

    Yes, it's what everyone has been bitching about since HRC got the nomination. But in reality they wanted their preferred candidates to get a leg up, apparently.

    I think it’s a lot of hooray-lets-shit-on-the-Dems from the same people that have no idea how to get elected to national office.

    The idea of neutrality is exactly what they want; and now they don’t like it, or they think it’s a lie, or it’s exactly what they want and they still can’t bring themselves to say something supportive.

    At least the Democratic party is out there planning. Whatever socialist/anarchist/whatever-it-is-people-think-we-need party isn’t doing much and there’s only sixteen months until midterms.

    Despite the naysaying, isn’t this a good thing? Seems the new chair wants impartiality

    Centrists benefited for decades from impartiality. Now that someone else is playing their game the same way they’ve been playing it, they decide that they want to be impartial. I have no faith whatsoever in the party’s interpretation of neutrality. It just means partiality in favor of centrists.

    If there’s a single issue the left can get behind this its school shootings, and apparently we can’t.

    I think we’re all there on “school shootings bad” so what’s the specifics you’d like to see? That’s where the hot takes die because something concrete has to be supported.

    Banning all guns from school property? Stronger gun buying restrictions? What?

    I find it fascinating (as well as frustrating, frightening, and depressing) that even during the rise of a literal dictatorship, most of the left clings to a misguided phobia of arms, as well as their continual push to tighten restrictions of on legal arms.

    If you’re talking about actual ‘leftists’ on a true scale, not the center and right wing dems and reps, most support gun ownership for all of the proletariat. Democrats talk about qualifications for gun ownership or more restrictions but all the leftists I’ve personally known would agree with the maxim from Marx:

    Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary

    From the Address of the Central Committee to the Communist League

    Address of the Central Committee to the Communist League by Marx and Engels

    You think maybe the DNC should use “proletariat” more in their campaign ads? That’d get them the red wall states?
    I think it would help teach people the term, and that could increase class consciousness among average people, which would probably cause more people to see both parties as the shams they are. If they used more explicit leftist language like that though it could trick some into thinking they are truly a left-wing party.
    I think you’d see a lot of people unhappy with it. The “teaching people the term” isn’t as straighforward as learning the A B Cs. You’d be putting a big roadblock in front of you for little practical gain.
    Well yeah it’s probably not actually useful right now for establishment dems to use it. Occupy Wall Street helped popularize the idea of the 99% vs the 1%, I think that sort of language is more useful for encouraging unity among the working class. Like calling it workers vs the owner class or something along those lines, there are many ways to explain marxist/socialist concepts with simple, easy to grasp language.
    Do “red states” not have a proletariat?

    So to answer the original question, the idea that “the left can’t get together on school shootings” - what’s your answer then?

    More guns? Better . . . guns? I’m asking.

    Restrictions on ammunition purchases and storage.

    Buy your gun but ammo is purchased and used on site of the firing range. Have a separate license or multiple for home storage that requires proof of purchase of a storage spot for it and has a limit on what can be purchased in a year with random checks for those with the license.

    People can have their guns and even a full round or clip but it limits the extent of firing they can do. It’s basically a tweak of what several other countries already do.

    Lol they want to lose so badly if we have an honest election.

    Please Bernie and AOC start your own party with this young fellow, he is showing what people have been saying.

    Hogg has always had that option. Instead he wants the party to endorse replacements of their own at the risk of splitting votes and losing even more seats to Republicans.

    Instead he wants the party to endorse replacements of their own

    Oh, if any of Hogg’s people win their primaries, the party will do everything it can to sabotage them in the general. centrists prefer republicans to progressives under all circumstances.

    This is the perfect cover for them. They don’t have to advocate for the incumbents, that’s what corporate media will do for them. They get the bonus of looking like they want to be neutral while neutering Hoggs ability to rally people against the feckless dinosaur moderates in the party.

    For the incumbents and DNC leadership it’s a win. :/

    I believe Hogg would quit rather be neutered.