schizoidmanChina could sink all US carriers in 20 minutes, Pentagon chief warns
roux [they/them, xe/xem]That would be so funny.
brvslvrnstLol sounds like he’s doing a great job in his role checks notes in charge of US defense.
Rule 1. When you’re having political problems at home, create a foreign enemy to distract the population.
Also, a foreign threat tends to gather the citizens together. Our post-9/11 unity allowed them to create the Homeland Security Gestapo.
☂️-common fascist tactic.
Also a common liberal tactic.
who says the enemy has to be foreign?
buh [she/her, any]Lots of comments that “this is a false distraction to justify war on Panama”. War on Panama is about interdicting Chinese commerce with Brazil and other countries south of US. Including FDI in Panama to boost its cross ocean trade volume through a railway.
This is more of a classified leak exposing US weakness and impotence. This does compromise stupid people’s faith in US protections across the world, and their rulers corrupt submission to US under propaganda of US protection.
they already forced a 100% tariff on chinese imports in brazil
I’m only aware of 30% tariffs on Chinese steel in Brazil, which is same mistake any manufacturing country can make. This was under Biden. They are unpopular, and Brazil still does significant trade with China.
a) we are not a manufacturing country.
b) manufactured chinese imports are taxed 100%, not raw materials. think consumer goods.
c) we have a few exceptions, like EVs
Someone got fired for unauthorized leak today. www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-850238
This is both believable, and actually makes me feel safer about world security
DessalinesApparently the crucial moment for the US to attack was a few year ago, when they still had naval superiority. They missed their window luckily for us. Thanks to the PRC the US doesn’t get to use SE Asia and Europe as their cannon fodder.
…and the US could make a China shaped nuclear crater to the west of Taiwan. Then everyone clapped.
“Bro, what if…”
“Well we could immediately escalate any conflict to end human civilization” is not the boast you think it is.
Look at the current war in Ukraine – the closest we’ve come to direct conflict between two nuclear superpowers. Nukes are useful only to the extent they make the other side think twice about a large, conventional invasion. If you actually use them against someone who can retaliate, you lose.
Could they though? You think China would just sit around and let the U.S fire nuclear missiles at them without intercepting them and firing their own? Why are you so sure that wouldn’t just end up with a U.S sized crater north of Mexico?
Also, dismissing any predictive situation as some crazy out there “what if” is hilarious.
War games are an extremely important part of any strategy so that you don’t just walk right into an easily predictable slaughter because you “don’t care about what ifs”.
geneva_convenienceUS can’t even beat Ansarallah
PolandIsAStateOfMindI remember how they bragged that the operation against Yemen was the biggest naval operation since WW2.
And they lost that, against country having no navy and no airforce.
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Alaskaball [comrade/them, any]Therefore we need to cut all non-essential government spending, for example everything that isn’t defense spending, and reallocate it to defense spending so we can overwhelm China’s defenses with wave attacks of billions of big beautiful boats that cost billions to build and only a million to sink
SamsumaThe enemy is both weak and strong.
inshallah
ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]China has Max Payne bullet time technology confirmed
axont [she/her, comrade/them]All Chinese soldiers are the guy from FEAR
Please, Xi. Press the button. Almighty Allah please steel Xi’s heart to do what must be done
BodyBySisyphus [he/him]And so you’re going to start reducing the military budget and start approaching diplomacy with an eye for mutual benefit and international cooperation, right?
GenderIsOpSec [she/her, kit/kit's] a trillion into military spending.
MarmiteLover123 [comrade/them, any]US generals are not idiots, they’re not going to sail their Carrier Strike Groups (CSGs) straight into a hail of Anti Ship Ballistic Missiles (ASBMs) equipped with either Maneuverable Re-entry Vehicles (MaRVs) or Hypersonic Glide Vehicles (HGVs) as warheads. The Chinese DF-17 and DF-21D missiles have a range of around 1600km/1000mi. So these weapons will instead act as area denial weapons, with the CSGs remaining outside of their effective range during the majority of their operations. Aircraft will rely on mid air refueling and/or external drop tanks to have the required range to conduct missions from this far out. This is also why there’s a huge focus on increasing the internal fuel capacity and range for the US Navy’s 6th generation strike fighter (F/A-XX), and why the F-35C has such a large internal fuel capacity.
We can see this in Yemen in the Red Sea, where the USS Harry Truman aircraft carrier spends the majority of time around Jeddah, around 700-800km from the Houthi/Ansarallah controlled parts of Yemen, and resupplies at Yanbu. This keeps them out of range of the Zolfogar Basir MaRV equipped ASBM (700km range) during normal operations, and keeps them out of range of Anti Ship Cruise Missiles like the Abu Mhadi (1000km range) when resupplying.
Horse {they/them}US generals are not idiots
while i agree with everything else in your post, a lot of them absolutely are very, very stupid
comfyHonestly, we shouldn’t assume they’ll always do stupid things, but they will do stupid things.
How they handled this training exercise rlly maeks me think: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002
The only thing this pentagon chief can sink in 20 minutes is a fifth of whiskey
That’s too modest of an amount
I guess this is why we need to invest 102931203921 gazillions money into the military and do more austerities
AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]Lol @ the guy in the EE thread talking about how the opposing force in the Millennium 2002 challenge cheated
how dare opfor use an actually effective strategy? they have to fight like we want them to ;__;
When you think about it, the Viet Cong cheated by not using loud bomber planes and napalm.
This has to be one of the funniest wiki pages I’ve read in a while
Over the course of the simulation, heavy constraints were placed on the Red force’s ability to free-play “to the point where the end state was scripted”,[4] resulting in a Blue victory.
At this point, the exercise was suspended, Blue’s ships were “re-floated”, and the rules of engagement were changed; this was later justified by General Peter Pace as follows: "You kill me in the first day and I sit there for the next 13 days doing nothing,
The exercise involved both live exercises and computer simulations, costing US$250 million (equivalent to about $437M in 2024)
anyway, 30 billion more for Israel
Cowbee [he/they]Article’s gone.
Here’s the archive: archive.is/WDDOa
Good thing we’re busy terrorizing our own populace!
Bilb!I hope that’s true, but this is a common refrain with various adversaries used as the boogie-man.
…libsyn.com/episode-117-the-always-lagging-us-war…
The scam goes something like this: A weapons contractor and military-funded think tank publishes a supposedly neutral “report” or a handful “U.S. officials” run to a media outlet insisting the United States is “lagging behind” in a sector that incidentally coincides with said think tank’s funders or government entity’s interests. Credulous American media mindlessly repeats the claims, everyone acts panicked, treating the warning like a work of good faith, sober and objective analysis. Congress then reacts and uses media coverage to rationalize even more contracts to the very funders of the think tank that raised the warning, further bloating the Pentagon, State Department and CIA budgets. Rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat, all the while portraying the U.S.'s gargantuan defense expenditures as paltry and insufficient.
Citations Needed: Episode 117: The Always 'Lagging' U.S. War Machine
"U.S. military tactics falling behind those of adversaries, Pentagon official warns," The Guardian proclaims. "Russian Propaganda Is Pervasive, and America Is Behind the Power Curve in Countering It," reads a report from the RAND Corporation. "U.S. falling behind in new space race, says CIA's former head of science and tech," cautions CBS News. U.S. media consistently characterize the United States – a country with nearly 800 military bases worldwide and an ever-climbing annual defense budget that's already more than a trillion dollars – as the world's eternal underdog. Somehow, the United States military is always "lagging" or "falling behind" perennial enemies Russia, China and evil Muslim terrorists in everything from nuclear weapons, PSYOPs, Internet security and surveillance, Arctic ice cutters, intercontinental ballistic missiles, drones, dominating outer space, and the always reliable and extremely vague "military readiness." The scam goes something like this: A weapons contractor and military-funded think tank publishes a supposedly neutral "report" or a handful "U.S. officials" run to a media outlet insisting the United States is "lagging behind" in a sector that incidentally coincides with said think tank's funders or government entity's interests. Credulous American media mindlessly repeats the claims, everyone acts panicked, treating the warning like a work of good faith, sober and objective analysis. Congress then reacts and uses media coverage to rationalize even more contracts to the very funders of the think tank that raised the warning, further bloating the Pentagon, State Department and CIA budgets. Rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat, all the while portraying the U.S.'s gargantuan defense expenditures as paltry and insufficient. On this episode, we parse the trope of the always “lagging” United States, who pushes and funds it, who benefits from it, and ask why the inverse question – "what if the U.S. is too powerful and dominant over the rest of the world" – is never broached by American media, much less honestly debated. Our guest is FAIR's Jim Naureckas.
It’s not like China has to lift a finger, the US government is doing a fine job of destroying the country.