jeffwPoll Has AOC Leading Schumer by Nearly 20 Points in 2028 New York Primary
barneypiccoloGood. I’ll never forgive that simpering, cowardly, weak, spineless bitch for stabbing Al Franken in the back. He should quit while has a chance to do it without looking too bad, but if he won’t, she should run him out in embarrassing and humiliating fashion.
AOC got into Congress by beating the #4 Democratic Congressional leader in the primary, now she’s poised to beat the top Senate Democrat in the primary. She’s an actual giant killer. All other Democrats should take note - it’s not her politics that people are responding to, it’s her strength. We need people who aren’t afraid to stand up to the Nazis, and she is fearless.
gmtomI just want her to run for president. But after fielding 2 uninspiring establishment centre-right candidates with no grassroots base, that offer nothing exciting, the Democrats and even many voters think that women in general are unelectable.
I just don’t think very highly of Americans in general. They are too sexist, too racist, and too elitist.
They want a rich old white man. Only one time ever did they attempt something else, and that lead directly to a third of the country becoming extremists.
I love AOC. Hope she will become president one day. But please just run with someone that your sexist, racist, elitist neighbors can actually vote for.
Let AOC become Senate majority leader first. That would be really cool, and help people get used to her.
AOC is having a fucking moment, so naturally women of color suddenly can’t win. Sanders got raked over the coals for just being accused of saying something like that to Warren. But it’s sure different now that the party can’t use it as a weapon against a progressive. Now they’re trying to keep AOC from running. So the party will hold back all women in order to hold back one progressive woman.
Let AOC become Senate majority leader first. That would be really cool, impactful, and help people get used to her.
It will give us time to think of a new excuse.
How is it sudden? Trump won both times you tried running women as president. Your fellow countrymen are bigots, have you not noticed that yet?
I know you want it, its fine. But the world cant take 4 extra years of whoever heritage chooses to dismantle democracy for them, if i happen to be right.
How is it sudden?
Because there’s speculation that AOC night run.
Trump won both times you tried running women as president.
Trump won both times we ran uninspiring centrist women for president. AOC is neither uninspiring nor centrist.
Your fellow countrymen are bigots, have you not noticed that yet?
The ones you want to impress certainly are.
You have 50mil eligible voters who haven’t even registered. You have another 40 million registered voters that didn’t bother to show.
I agree with you that AOC is the best bet America has for a better future. But the important thing is not getting the best outcome, the important thing is actually beating the Nazis.
Are you willing to bet the future of the free world that you are right?
You have 50mil eligible voters who haven’t even registered. You have another 40 million registered voters that didn’t bother to show.
Yes, voter apathy is a problem. Running uninspiring candidates isn’t going to fix apathy; it will make apathy much worse.
I agree with you that AOC is the best bet America has for a better future. But the important thing is not getting the best outcome, the important thing is actually beating the Nazis.
Ain’t seein’ much evidence of anyone else actually willing to oppose nazis in any way.
Are you willing to bet the future of the free world that you are right?
The last 3 elections have been against trump. We ran dull “not trump, I guess” candidates in all three. Biden only barely squeaked in and then spent four years demonstrating that democrats don’t keep their promises to anyone not named netanyahu.
If you have a more charismatic candidate than AOC, a white (conservative, naturally, since that’s all this is really about) male, name him.
Tim Walz is literally doing Town Hall meeting in Republican cities where they have stopped doing official town hall meetings.
And god bless him for it. If Tim Walz can win in 2028, great.
That’s no reason to hold back all women in order to hold back AOC. We have primaries for a reason (when we have primaries.) If AOC can overcome democrats’ shady bullshit meant to keep progressives out, she absolutely can win. Anyone who would never vote for AOC wasn’t going to vote for Walz, either. Unless you’re saying that centrist democrats would rather vote for fascism or stay home than vote for a progressive, for all their talk of “no matter who.”
A lot of people hate the rich people who control them, but also hate women and minorities 🤷♂️
So whats important here, do you want their votes and be able to kick the PayPal Mafia out of the oval office, or do you care more about signalling to America that women can do it too?
Its time to choose your enemies.
So whats important here, do you want their votes and be able to kick the PayPal Mafia out of the oval office, or do you care more about signalling to America that women can do it too?
That’s a false choice, as well as a misrepresentation of everything I’ve said.
If women are as incapable of winning as centrists suddenly and conveniently believe they are the instant someone brings up AOC, then you have nothing to worry about. If she can’t win the general, she definitely won’t be able to get through the primaries. democratic party leadership can’t fuck with the general election like they can with primaries.
Its time to choose your enemies.
Mine are to my right. Are yours?
They are. I just don’t trust the American people even a little, to make the best choice. So i think running the best candidate (which we agree that AOC is) will most likely be yet another political suicide for the democrats.
America really needs a left wing party, instead of a left wing faction in the least right-wing party. But the system is built so any vote for third party is just wasted, and basically amounts to a vote for the fascists 🤷♂️
This is why i say AOC should focus on becoming minority leader in the Senate. They need to kick out the right wingers from the democratic party first, and by then she will be loved enough by everyone that president becomes much more likely.
How convenient that the answer is always to run a centrist.
Please don’t. Dude, my Prime Minister is a woman, i don’t really care what you think. But your people have proven again and again to be bigots, so please don’t continue to be so focused on inclusion for everyone that you neglect the part where you dont fucking lose your government to the Nazis, like wtf?
Or are you saying it is impossible to find a leftists old white man? Because your Presidents have to be old white men, please realize that.
But your people have proven again and again to be bigots
By not wanting to vote for centrists.
Or are you saying it is impossible to find a leftists old white man?
I’m saying it’s impossible to find a progressive without a convenient excuse popping up for why they can’t run.
If you honestly believe that the only reason Americans didn’t vote for Harris was that she was too moderate, i don’t know what to tell you man, that sounds almost utopic in my ears, but i just don’t trust you people that much.
I believe that accounts for maybe 25% of the people who didn’t vote for her, another 25% was racism, another 25% was sexism and the last 25% decided than an 80 year old war in Palestine suddenly should decide whether or not the fascists got control of the largest military in the world. Fucking dumb.
But maybe you have more correct polls for this, i am willing to be corrected.
If you honestly believe that the only reason Americans didn’t vote for Harris was that she was too moderate, i don’t know what to tell you man, that sounds almost utopic in my ears, but i just don’t trust you people that much.
Yeah, I get it. You think we’re all sexists and therefore you dictate that women shouldn’t be allowed to run for president.
Dictate 🤣 how tf can i dictate anything. I just strongly advice that you focus more on taking back your country from the Nazis before they destroy the fucking world, than you do on social inclusion of minority groups. You’ve tried it and it is costing the entire world heavily. Get your shit together.
Right. Exclude women because the most popular progressive is a woman and ansolutely no other reason.
“absolutely no other reason” lol, what are you talking about. Literal fucking Nazis owning your government is the reason you fucking lunatic.
Let AOC become majority leader in the Senate for a few years, let the swing voters warm up to her (i am not saying to suppress her policies, she is badass), and meanwhile run a democratic candidate that they can vote for here and now.
The left needs to be vigilant, but it also needs to know where to apply the pressure. Trying to force AOC into the white house will result in another Republican victory.
i am not saying to suppress her policies,
Uh huh.
Yeah whatever, you believe what you want. Your country is going down the shitter, and your entire left wing is convinced that doing the same old thing will be better the next time. Fucking losers.
Leftism isn’t all about skin color, sexuality and skin color. It’s about a living wage, affordable housing, free education for everyone, free healthcare, it’s connecting the people via public transportation, and its about making those rich fuckers pay up.
But noooo, let’s all just keep talking about skin color, “when is it a womans turn to lead?!” While half your country is too bigoted to even consider it an option. Grow up.
Your country is going down the shitter, and your entire left wing is convinced that doing the same old thing will be better the next time.
The same old thing is a boring centrist.
Leftism isn’t all about skin color, sexuality and gender. It’s about a living wage, affordable housing, free education for everyone, free healthcare, it’s getting money out of politics, and most of all its about making those rich fuckers pay their fair share.
And AOC is the most likely candidate that typifies those positions. Hence why the party is willing to shut out all women just to stop her personally.
Yes, and she definitely needs to be president - one day. Not yet tho, now is not the time to push for ideals, now is the time to BEAT THE NAZIS! run who ever the fuck can actually get them out of office.
Not yet tho, now is not the time to push for ideals
This sentence is how we got here.
now is the time to BEAT THE NAZIS!
By having no ideals!
run who ever the fuck can actually get them out of office.
this reads like “run another dull centrist again. Regardless of whether they can win. Again. We can always blame the left when we earn another loss. Again.”
You are advocating for a lack of policy and just running as “well, at least we’re second worst to the nazis. For now. And by as narrow a margin as we think we can get away with.”
Again.
That loses.
Please don’t run a full centrist.
Run someone leaning as far to the left as possible, while also being able to actually win.
Please don’t run anoyher centrist.
I don’t have a say in the matter. I’m not one of the republican bigots we have to abandon every last principle to appeal to.
Run someone leaning as far to the left as possible, while also being able to actually win.
Which is interpreted in all cases by the useless and complicit democratic party as “run another centrist and lie about how progressive they aren’t.”
it is like you people hear what you want to hear. I am in no way saying run with right leaning policies.
Yes, you are. You’re just too removed from american politics to realize it.
I am saying you need to present your politics in a way that your bigoted countrymen can follow.
Always have to appeal the bigots all centrists want the approval of. Because appealing to anyone but bigots at this point is a move to the left. centrists would rather have us all dead in camps than move to the left.
Moving to the left has always been just this thing we will do in the nebulous future and NEVER FUCKING DO. You may be happy with that, but that’s because you don’t have to live here.