return2ozmaRetirees 'stunned' as market turmoil over tariffs shrinks their 401(k)s
CharlesDarwinWell, if you voted for these dumbasses and are now pikachu over how idiotic they actually are…hard to feel sorry for you.
BTW, if you say “I didn’t vote for that”…YES YOU DID. It’s not like donvict was quiet about his love for tariffs.
Zammy95I mean, I know quite a few retirees who actively voted for his opponent. So I wouldn’t feel right saying that THEY voted for it, no? However, around my area, they definitely are a minority in their age group, so I think statistically speaking you are probably going to be right most of the time.
Oh, of course. I don’t think anyone DESERVES to live in destitution - and this is probably where progressives like me get made fun of, but it’s just how I was raised - even if they voted for donvict.
My lizard brain immediately wants to condemn people that were told not to vote against their own interest, but did anyway because of their hate of wokeness and DEI or whatever the hell. However, though I do rant here and elsewhere, I ultimately have compassion for people, even if it’s from their own actions…
As for those that voted against donvict, of course they don’t deserve it, though I know it’s now quite fashionable to dunk on “boomers” as if they are some monolithic block and that means every single one of them, to a person has caused the Republicans to get worse and worse. Personally, I believe this thinking is goaded on by elites, because it only divides us further…in addition to racism, xenophobia, transphobia, if you can whip up the various age groups and pit them against one another, you can sit back and count your money and be comforted in the notion that few people will cop to the reality…
That is how my brain works a well when it comes to Americans. I know that they aren’t all retarded, but I have a hard time dealing with the country and its politics and just how fucking brainwashed the population is.
I also know that if I had been american, I would have voted for Harris despite haaaaating woke shit. To me those are two very separate things. Woke shit is a social trend where one can argue for and against aspects of it and I expected it to find its middle ground with time once the most obnoxious people and companies got over themselves.
But! Ain’t no fucking way I would ever have voted republican as their politics, no matter how much they have catered to my hateboner for woke bs, is fundamentally against pretty much all of my values. Even the democrats are too right wing for me.
I hate America for how it treats its population. I hate that there isn’t free education and healthcare (to the “noThinG iS fREe” crowd = kindly shut up and go jangle your keys in the corner while the adults are talking) and I cannot fathom the work culture over there. To me it is borderline slavery.
To me those issues outweighs my annoyances with Hollywood’s stubborn decision to pump out cringe woke propaganda and call it movies for ten-ish years. I am legit embarrassed for all the dumbasses who voted for trump because of woke entertainment. There is a level of stupidity there that I can’t even begin to unpack.
The irony about the qons that voted against Kamala because “woke”… I mean, donvict and his demons may go after Hollywood, etc…but the thing is, neither the Democrats nor Kamala were or are responsible for a lot of the culture stuff - meaning Hollywood can crank out “woke” trash that makes almost everyone’s eyes roll as long as they can economically sustain it [1], regardless of who is in office. I guess some of the qons really do want donvict to go full Putin/Hitler and make every aspect of life, including movies, bow to his stupid and backwards will.
Imagine if Hollywood has their arm twisted by the magoffs into just cranking out snow-white super xtian Hallmark movie type of dreck for years…gag. Seriously, who the fuck is going to want to watch any of that beyond just a very narrow and stupid demographic?
I honestly don’t understand what upsets a type of person so very much about godawful cultural content to the point that it changes their vote in the political sphere. Lots of magoffs got very GRRRR mad about the latest Doctor Who, but isn’t that the BBC? What the hell would they expect donvict to do, anyway? Ban it somehow? Invade the UK and make them stop? Same for Disney? Who was making them watch anything from Disney? Don’t these people have choices in what they choose to stream? The movies they pay for? I get it - quite a bit of it is unbelievably terrible, but…I don’t remember anyone making me watch anything. The people think something like The Acolyte “ruined their childhood” and now have the knives out for wokeness and Disney, but I have a newsflash - Episode 1 was complete shit and didn’t need “wokeness” to make it so.
These are the same people that cried for decades that they are “made fun of”. Sure, by some content. But also, lots of content completely caters to flyover country/salt of the Earth narratives and always has.
[1] I really don’t understand what the business model is. It looks like Disney especially seems to want to set fire to huge piles of cash? And for what purpose? It almost seems to be creating more reactionaries. And people that they think they are catering to? I don’t know how much they are bound to be customers of things like Star Wars anyway? The term “woke” now is so loaded, unfortunately, but there is miles of distance between having representation and not being nasty to certain marginalized groups, etc., vs hammering in extremely stilted agendas, doing race/gender swapping almost to intentionally alienate the fan base and so on…it’s so cringe that I often wonder if it’s being done in service of oligarchs’ interest in dividing the nation even further, just like corporations doing their silly rainbow/woke-washing stuff.
Indeed. It is utterly bizarre how some people turned to Trump because their entertainment got cringe. Personally, I just decided to not watch those movies.
It’s not like I hate diversity 100% and whenever it pops up in media. There is a very clear difference between when companies like Disney do it and when say an indie director does it. Moonlight is one of my favourite movies and that film is about a gay black man. But it is genuinely dealing with a deeply important subject and handles the material gracefully. And I just love Chirone so much.
That’s one of many amazing ways to handle diversity in media and hell, I do it myself as a writer. I write about diverse characters because I want to see them represented but I also want to tell stories where they aren’t just defined by their skin or their sex or sexuality. They are just people, you know. And that is where I hoped diversity would eventually end up after the woke wave had passed, but now we are here.
And like you said, a reactionary anti-woke wave of hallmark type movies with no diversity at all and only conservative values would grate on me just as much because just like woke, that would just be propaganda and not storytelling.
I just want god stories, man. With awesome characters being challenged and overcoming or failing and being consumed. But eh. Hollywood isn’t doing their job and currently it doesn’t matter because America has way bigger problems than some cringe movies no one really likes if they are honest with themselves.
But yeah… it’s one thing to dislike a social trend and to vote a tyrant into power who is forcing- not only Americans, but the rest of the world to eliminate everything diversity from their companies if they want to trade with America. Like what the fuck? Where will that train end btw? Because no one can agree what is and isn’t woke anymore and I’m legit sitting over here like: sooooo… if a company does a campaign for breast cancer, would that fall under diversity and DEI or? How about if they have hired handicapped people and people with a darker skintone? Are they supposed to fire them? Like where the fuck is the line?
Urgh.
There’s a lot of baggage with the term “woke” as it’s levelled here. In North America presently it is the brush that is used to tar anyone who is not white, “conventionally attractive”, skinny, cis, heterosexual or a narrow range of subtypes pandering to those audiences as a means to blanket criticize and apply pressure to remove them unilaterally from public. It’s such a politicized term used for years by an outright supremacist movement and levied as a dogwhistle in outright genocidal political spheres that it has no nuance. If you want to convey nuance it doesn’t work as a term.
Your views do not appear to strictly align with the movements who use “Woke Propaganda Cringe” as a tool of linguistically signaling this cluster of held beliefs in a space. It’s a bit like if you walked into a space where gangs are active and started throwing up specific gang signs. Where you come from those signs might have nuance and usage that is lighthearted and non serious or specific but in spaces where those gangs are active and enacting violence those signs are strict affiliation markers with implied buy in to violence and little allowance for misinterpretation.
If your intention is to not be deliberately incendiary towards the targets of the American far right when dealing with the people in North America it’s probably best to drop the usage of “woke”.
I get that the term came from America but it has been used on the internet by all of us. It was taken by the far right in America to use it in a negative political context for sure, but that doesn’t mean that everybody else in the rest of the world live in the US bubble. To me, woke is forced diversity usually done by big corporations who try to be hip with the kids and either failing to understand what they are doing or deliberately using diversity as a shield against criticism of their shitty product. That is all woke is to me. It has been happening in American media and it has happened in media closer to home as well as it has happened in internet culture which belongs to all of us.
I can’t help that american society is so polarized that you can’t even use words to describe anything anymore without being labeled by reactionary Americans online.
But if it makes you feel any better, I can switch to differentiate between forced diversity and regular diversity even though I have also been yelled at for that in the past. I am just commenting on what I’m seeing happening in media and in politics. I can’t control or help what some people decide to interpret my intentions as.
I can’t help that american society is so polarized that you can’t even use words to describe anything anymore without being labeled by reactionary Americans online.
It’s kind of the nature of the world but at the same time there’s not really a limitation on making up new combinations of words to get your point across. Is it really so terrible to abandon one and just pick something different that better gets your intent across? It’s really a pretty small pool of words that hold that level of euphemistic intent.
A lot of really evil stuff exists by being packaged in a less publicly identifiable euphemism. If I were to call myself by a username like “Blueeyes88” because I have blue eyes and really like the Phillidelphia Flyers’ Eric Lindros… there’s gunna be some conclusions drawn about my character because that’s how NeoNazis signal other Nazis that they are Nazis. When you adopted “Woke” as an American import word this process of euphemism was already in motion. The spaces you picked that word up from sold it to you as an early buy in to a radicalization pipeline. You didn’t get those loan words from a morally neutral place and it’s coming due that everyone start realizing just how poisonous that marketing campaign was.
It’s not really a matter of what makes others personally comfortable. It’s a matter of how accurately you would like to have your intentions perceived. It doesn’t bother me personally since people who use that language are ones whom I am used to sorting in the “radicalized asshole” category. I just happened to see you fighting people who were in the process of actively making this space less comfortable for you and noticed something off.
This space has a lot of North Americans in it and a large number of targets of those movements and we are collectively going through quite right now. If you are an American fascist then us making this space uncomfortable for you is a prerogative because there’s a well established playbook of what happens when you let right wingers acidify online spaces. If you quack people are gunna assume you are a duck so if you don’t want to spend half your time explaining you are not a duck- don’t quack.
Quack if you want to by all means just don’t be upset when the hunting rifles come out.
You sound very ideologically brainwashed, my dude. Maybe someday you will realize that there is in fact a living breathing world outside of America that doesn’t live by or within the American context. We exist too. That doesn’t make us fascists, but if that is what you need to tell yourself to keep your weird little world view, then fine by me. Bizarre behavior.
Says the guy who would rather pick stupid fights over syntax than change a single word and have halfway decent conversations instead.
Pricks come in multiple nationalities.