Lunar_VoyagerAttorney General Pam Bondi directs prosecutors to seek death penalty for Luigi Mangione
RainbowHedgehogThe “pro-life” party really loves the death penalty…
The D Quuuuuillthey need live babies to they can become dead soldiers
— George Carlin
More workers than soldiers at this point
I have a friend who studies behavior but applied to employment systems. Tons of research there on getting the most out of your employees. This sounds terrible when you first hear it right? But when you read it it’s about not burning out staff with reasonable quotas and demands, using positive reinforcement, building morale, etc. basically that you might decrease output slightly now but you’ll increase retention of the staff and the staff will overall be much more satisfied
They reject this in basically every industry even though it’s evidence based. It’s easier to burn people out and churn through workers. Meanwhile humanity stays poor and miserable for the most part (aside from a small percentage that makes out like bandits)
Right? Tons of studies show that treating your employees well is way more profitable than treating them like shit. Even from a capitalist perspective, it’s stupid to not treat them well.
that assumes the point is something other than cruelty. the wealthy need us to suffer so that they can justify being wealthy as being a protection from suffering
In this case it’s just the rich punishing a plebeian for daring to challenge them, in the hopes of they make his punishment terrible enough everyone else will be too scared to rise up.
But in answer to you astute observation that the ‘pro-life’ people love the death penalty, the reason is simple: to these people, being ‘bad’ isn’t something you do, it’s something you are.
So to them it’s not a break in internal logic at all. They gave the pure, innocent baby a chance, but they turned out to be a Bad Person, so they must be punished, because that’s what you deserve for being a Bad Person.
This is why they favor punitive jailing and killing criminals instead of trying to reform criminals; criminals are Bad, and so they will always do Bad Things.
It’s also why they do stuff like try to get rid of abortion. If a woman got pregnant from ‘sleeping around’ then she’s a Bad Person and deserves to be punished by carrying the child to term.
Don’t forget that prison labor is constitutionally protected slave labor!
UltraGiGaGiganticCalifornia agrees enthusiastically
no, no. you’ve got it wrong. they’re pro-birth. They don’t give a fuck about people when they’re born.
Ex NummisCalled it weeks ago.
He’ll be long dead before then though. Almost certainly due to a prison shank. Mmw.
I think everyone in prison likes him actually 😂
The cameras will call in sick to work that day.
Mangione’s murder of Brian Thompson – an innocent man and father of two young children
Innocent man my ass
samus1234519 and 16 are “young” children? Not to mention the fact that he was separated from his wife and his contact with them was limited. Unlike with hundreds, if not thousands, of parents he killed with his policy of denying coverage.
The obvious fellating of the ruling class by the mainstream media is annoying as fuck.
Who go you think owns the mainstream media?
Well, yeah. But they’re not even bothering to pretend to be a separate Fourth Estate any more.
It’s my understanding that this will make it far more difficult for them to get a conviction/verdict. Going for the death penalty has certain bars to hit during a trial by jury. It’s often why prosecutors go after lesser sentences on things people absolutely did the worse versions of. This gives them a much more likely guilty verdict from a jury.
By doing this, they’re basically torpedoing the case, as I understand it.
Purely to try and scare people/send a message.
When he’s rendered a verdict of not-guilty for the crimes that would lead to the death penalty, but is guilty of something relatively trivial, like “owning an unregistered firearm”, this could come back to bite them in the ass.
But who knows. I’ve been hoping for the judicial system to bite the ass of fascists for almost a decade now, without much luck.
That’s true in state crimes, but federal prosecutions are actually very different.
Federal prosecutors have a lot more room to argue and in general the court tends to favor the prosecution much more.
The judge is responsible for sentencing (and Trump appointed a lot, guarantee he gets a Trump judge), while discovery is much more restrictive against the defendant.
Remember nothing about this will be a fair trial. This is going to be the most cooked trial you’ve ever seen in your life. Jurors will be downright threatened if not bribed.
Trial starts and it’s just trump in the jury box. Because executive powers are made up and laws don’t matter.
bitofaramblerhow to make a martyr
Unfortunately it feels like most IRL people I know have moved on from him 😔
tocopherolNah he’s still loved, I’ve seen Luigi prayer candles and grafitti plenty, he still receives massive amounts of fanmail. When the actual trial starts the fans will come out more.
Honestly that’s really good to hear. He deserves all the support.
This would be how you bring more attention to him than ever before. Also people are already really angry and prepared for violence if you look at the tesla fires. This would most certainly lead to a massive increase in militant action against companies, CEOs and politicians.
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There is no getting out of this fascist hellhole without mass protest, but if the ruling class wants to turn that into riots against the rich, ok then.
Oh that piece of shit, does she not understand this will make matters worse?
She will turn him into a martyr, this administration is the dumbest I have seen in my whole fucking life.
Lady Butterfly It’s a ludicrous decision. I really dislike seeing him praised, he murdered someone and that’s not ok. Nevertheless, people see him as a hero and now she’s going to make that feeling more extreme.
murdered someone and that’s not ok.
Innocent until proven guilty.
danhab99Whenever I think of the Dylan Roof incident.
The death penalty isn’t a punishment, who really learns from it, the criminal? It’s a tool for society to remove what amounts to a defective person (not human, person). People are supposed to value the lives of other people by default. Any sustained deviation from this norm is a symptom of a person who cannot value life.
Dylan Roof was given 1000s of opportunities to demonstrate that he did actually value life but because of his defective nature there was no choose but to remove him.
“Life in prison” can be canceled/pardoned/changed, death cannot. That is why it’s near impossible to make it happen and even if it does, people spend the rest of their lives waiting for their “execution” (ftr Dylan is still alive at this time source).
Now in what possible world would you be able to convince a jury of random peers, or judges with their heads actually screwed on tight, that a sample size of one murder proves that a person is defective.
Genuine responses only:
The prosecutor claims that he endangered others around the victim. But if you watch the video you can tell he clearly was careful to not cause harm to anyone else. He could have bombed him, done a drive-by or any other method but he shot him with single shots at a close range. If they go for the death penalty he’ll walk.
Unlike the serial killer Bryan Thompson who used indiscriminate means of murder which not only brutally killed his victims but destroyed their loved ones lives too with all of the collateral damage.
Bryan Thompson is the mass murderer here, Luigi allegedly stopped the murderer in a way that put no one else at unnecessary risk.
So they want to make a martyr of him.
No. They want to take away a martyr.
How long is the average stay on death row?
And how long is the memory of the average american voter?
You and me will have moved on to the next battle and ten other battles by the time they shoot him. Collective memory will have other priorities and we will forget.
Thats the trick. The appeals process alone takes so long that you will either be completely lost by that point, or your disinterest shouting support for fifteen other vigilantes, that it wont matter.
If they convict, hes fucked. Hes not a martyr. Hes a statistic. And thats how they convince the next one not to do it. You are not joan of ark. History will treat you not as a savior, but as a wildcard random… So why bother? A healthcare ceo is not franz ferdinand.
We arent there yet…
queermunist she/herOkay, but they could accomplish that by not attempting to seek the death penalty. If they simply tried to imprison him for 40 years the exact same effect would be achieved, but without grabbing headlines.
“Life without parole” vs “the death penalty” hold a different connotation for the average person.
Its about perception. Not logic.
The death penalty had never really made sense for 80 years. Basically ever since we eliminated firing squads or the guillotine. Ever since we said, “guilty, kill em now, move on”
But we hold execution in a much higher regard. The death penalty is certain. Life in prison… well thats ambiguous. We are still fighting a culture war on the death penalty for literal decades now, despite the fact that it makes absolutely zero difference to anyone not directly involved in the crime.
The actual, logical, real world difference is minimal. But if you want to send a message. Well then, the perception is magnificent.
Sentenced to death has meaning. Until you drag it out so long everyone forgets.
Is it about perception or making people forget? I don’t think it makes sense to have it both ways, the perception created by a death trial keeps this in people’s minds and runs contrary to making people forget.
If they wanted to memory-hole him they should have just shot for a long sentence, like 40 years or something. Life ruining but ultimately uninteresting for the average voter. By sending a message they force people to remember; “Oh yeah, a CEO got murdered on the street. Wasn’t that cool?”
They’re sitting in a working class revolt powder keg and they just lit the match ….lol
The working class in America are so docile and subdued at this point that they won’t notice when all this happens.
Death penalty would take several years to happen and by then people will have forgotten. Only a couple of remaining groupies will make a fuss.
Nah man we still remember harambe. Never forget real hero’s. Dicks out for Luigi bois
My butthole is out for that handsome man.
The only way the current president can hang on for more than four years is to incite insurrection and then activate the insurrection act. All these ‘take it to the streets’ people might as well be shouting jump at a guy being pushed off a building.
At least we can stop pretending we are civilized
People aren’t starving yet, but recent changes may change that soon.
funny thing luigi was originally a right winger before he shot the guy, guess the msm arnt going to reveal that fact that he was originally one of thier own.
I mean, to be fair, when I was younger my viewpoints changed as often as I changed my underwear
𝓔𝓶𝓶𝓲𝓮Yeah well I think I don’t have any real viewpoints which is also a viewpoint I guess. I just adopt things based on a whim or need. One day a commie, another ancap. Do these words mean anything anymore
I guess all that counts at the end of the day is how well off you are and clear conscience and the paths to achieve that are myriad
There is nothing honest I can say about Luigi because fundamentally I don’t care. Some American drama, another one in the long streak of news. There is no hate, there is no love. The only constant is indifference
Let’s talk about something interesting for once like color theory or classical paintings.
if ideologies feel like temporary costumes, maybe the real focus is the pragmatic pursuit of well-being and a clear conscience. The modern news cycle thrives on manufactured stakes, and indifference might just be the sanest response.
Don’t you all not feel burnt out from the constant outrage?
Let’s talk about something interesting for once like color theory or classical paintings
No
Some American drama, another one in the long streak of news. There is no hate, there is no love. The only constant is indifference.
Don’t you understand this is the precise mindset that is powerless to resist fascism and in fact sets the table for it?
The point of the firehose is so you stop caring, congratulations you did it! Do you want a medal?
Goldholz So they want to create another merteur. Okay. Lets see how that will turn out
Merteur? Martyr?
Protect him at all costs!
Don’t worry, he is innocent.
CharlesDarwinI’m sure this kind of thing is what occupies the broligarchs’ brains at least 90% of the time…
Fuck you, Pam Bondi.