Zoomers & Boomers are the same

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Zoomers & Boomers are the same - Lemmy.ca

screenshot, probably from Ex-Twitter but I saw it on NOSTR, showing a guy saying that training a zoomer to use a PC at work is as difficult as training a boomer, with a reply indicating that there is only one generation that can rotate a PDF and that knowledge dies with us [https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/b0399309-b7a3-433d-8de2-c7599ec36f10.png]

Xennials are fascinating to watch navigate through tech hurdles. They have a custom built toolbox built purely through trial and error.
I think you misspelled experience.
As an autodidact xennial, I’ll take that as a compliment.
Absolutely a compliment. It took me many months of research to figure out what PC parts to buy in the late '90s. Now you can easily piece something together in a day.
Oh god I feel seen
anyone who has never experienced the joy of destroying hardware with a misplaced address access is, at best, translucent. magic blue smoke or bust.

True, and Alpha are even worst, most of them never touched a real keyboard, only use 2 thumbs on a phone. Don’t tell them about windows (or/mac/linux) or what is a UI or how to use a mouse and navigate in a OS, they don’t get double click or right click, resize a window, minimize a window (OMG THE WINDOW IS GONE!!!) it’s impressive.

I have seen a lot of late Z/early Alpha who cannot make some special characters on a keyboard like " or $ or even worst using AltCar. Using Word to write a letter, using keyboard shortcuts, etc. they are completely clueless with computers.

A good way to get a feel for how these Alpha kids probably feel is to use something un-Windowsy like RiscOS. I felt similarly helpless

Look I don’t doubt you’ve met these people but it’s not everywhere. Here in Australia the kids still learn this at school.

My daughter is in primary school and they’ve learned to use a word processor, spreadsheet, presentation software etc.

So they can all use a keyboard and mouse and she’s done some school projects as PowerPoint slideshows.

Oh, you mean characters that are actually on the keyboard. I thought you meant stuff like ‘Δ’ or ‘°’

I still remember looking up alt codes on the character map.

I haven’t had to represent degrees in decades, but for some reason I remembered the code being 0961. According to this page it was 0176. What a classic blunder!

Alt Codes List of Alt Key Codes Symbols

Alt Codes, the all alt codes list for special characters and special symbols. Learn how to use alt key codes.

Me and a classmate were absolutely stunned when we saw this girl typing in her password, and using Caps Lock to do uppercase letters instead of shift. We looked at her like, “WTF are you doing?” And she seriously did not know what the shift button was for.

I just don’t know how nobody showed or told her this before, and we’re in college…

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My younger brother will not flinch when talking about playing a first person game, (he says it for every game though) he will say a controller is superior.

Now I understand that there is a lot of wiggle room to debate the “best” input method, but I will die on the hill about a mouse being the best (and maybe best possible) input for look/aiming in a first person sense.

The left hand could use an analog input for sure, but digital movement is so rarely an issue it didn’t matter a whole lot.

I will go as far as to throw him a bone and say that controllers are probably the best for something like a platformer (his genre of choice), or a racing game, or in some cases, 3rd person action. I will typically use Rocket League as an example of that, because that game is one of the few that analog movement is much, muuuch more important than analog camera control.

But keyboard and mouse is so widely usable for (and so often a clear front runner) that I have to dunk on him every time he shits on kb+m.

But then I think about my coming up learning and using computers, and our built in familiarity with kb+m, whereas these days, these scrubs are using touchscreens almost exclusively, and a keyboard just looks ancient right off the bat. And of course anything that “old people” use is definitely just totally obsolete and gross as soon as something else comes out.

So I give him consideration in that regard, but it saddens me that he won’t think critically enough to understand the differences, and is not thinking about it. His brain is very literally saying “old way bad, new way good”.

He’s still too young, but damn the communication barrier is frustrating.

The difference is that aged people tend to forget their training more. I’m not worried about the youngins.

An unfortunate consequence of developers playing to the lowest common denominator of users for the last twenty years. Everything has been designed to be as easy and intuitive as possible for mobile, and troubleshooting skills have suffered as a result.

Not to mention that phones are crazy powerful and can do virtually everything these days, so fewer and fewer people are buying PCs. If the general population is indeed “going backwards” in regards to tech literacy, it seems like demand for IT services is going to spike in the coming years. Good thing to keep in mind for young people choosing a career path!

Developers don’t decide that. Blame UX folk for making things simple.
I meant it a more general sense as anyone involved with the software developing life cycle, but I see your point, good catch
As a UX person often my job is to implement somebody else’s vision rather than being able to design something that makes sense.
As long as you treat yourself as a pixel pusher, this is a side effect. When you understand that you are a mirror for ideas, you will empower yourself.
“Listen boss, I know you wanted me to create it in a certain way, but I am not a pixel pusher alright?! I am a mirror of ideas, so I made something completely different from what you pay me for, what do you mean I’m fired?”
If you say it that way, then yes, even the nicest person will call you a cunt and fire you. If you ask questions, as a user, and showing patterns that support your thesis, this becomes a conversation, rather than a “do it that way”.

I agree in principle but when I’m building something I’m normally 3 - 5 people removed from the people who want it. It’s hard to push your ideas back through project managers, project engineers, program managers, presale engineers, contract managers, feed managers and then onto the actual company that asked you to implement the “solution”.

That’s a problem, I agree. I feel privileged then, because I actually get to research, and interview, and split test. It was a long battle, I’ve been trying to build that culture for a good 5+ years. Once the features started flopping, I started by doing 2 prototypes - one, based on the PRD from the product team and another, based on my personal research. I had to work 12, sometimes 15 hours a day, but when, instead of showing problems, I was showing solutions, without the “i-told-you-so”s, and when I made it clear that I care about the product’s health alone, that’s when I became the mirror. I reckon it’s not an industry term, but it’s what I like to call it - product presents their idea, you reflect it, and more often than not they do not like what they see.
I’m with you; I don’t like i-told-you-so, I like solutions. I wasn’t saying you shouldn’t try, because you obviously should, i was just bitching about the difficulties I have in holding up the mirror.

My most recent job hunt has me thinking the same. I used to be a dime a dozen, and young folks were real and serious competition in the job market, but I’ve been in IT since before the .com crash and now my skills are once again becoming unique.

I’ve been raising my kids, warning them about the shit state of IT. Maybe I should have been nerding them harder.

I will say, I would not want to be a software developer right now, but systems support is generally pretty stable (and less likely to be replaced by AI any time soon)
Yeah, I’m a fancy bricklayer these days…

I would point out that while general computer use has gotten easier, doing anything advanced has gotten much harder.

I’m glad my grandma can send memes, but I can’t figure out where an app is saving my files because everything is a walled garden!

I almost added this as a point in my original comment, but you’re absolutely right, and its happening in other industries too (auto, for example). Its really tough to troubleshoot things you lack the permissions to fix.
Lifelong Android user here. I don’t know where an app saves its files (not to personal folders, but app-private folder) even it’s rooted. I’m glad this protects me from malwares but it also forbids me to put my device in full control.

i think its more complex than this.

people wont know what to do/wont bother if a simple google search doesnt inmediatly has what they want in the first lonk.

Training some younger people at work: “click the cog in the corner to pull up the settings”. “What’s a ‘cog’?”
I’ve never seen an icon of a single cog. Multiple cogs on a hub forming a gear, sure, but never just a cog.
Huh? The single cog is the standard for settings menus. Just looking at three random apps on my phone, they all had single cog icons.

cog
noun
ˈkäg
1 : a tooth on the rim of a wheel or gear

Can you share an image of what you describe as a single cog?

It can also be used to mean a singular cogged wheel
Not according to the dictionary, or my masterful command of English

It’s splitting hairs, but that would technically be a cogwheel. The actual cogs would be the teeth around the wheel.

If you have a cogwheel with a broken cog, it would be accurate to say that the cogwheel is missing a cog. That doesn’t mean the entire wheel is missing from the system; It is only missing a single tooth.

My bad, I was using gear and cog interchangeably. Didn’t realize it could also mean just a tooth.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Look up cog in Wiktionary, the free dictionary.

A cog is a tooth of a gear or cogwheel or the gear itself.

If you have an android phone, the settings icon is a cog.

Edit: 🙄

That’s a gear with six cogs.
To be precise, that’s a cogwheel. There are six cogs around the cogwheel in your image.
I know what a cog is but not what a Jetsons is
Hanna Barbara cartoon from the golden age of animation.
Ripoff of The Flintstones, except the family is from the future rather than the past.
Both are from Hanna-Barbera. There is also a cartoon called The Roman Holidays, which is The Flintstones, but set in Rome.
Yes, Hanna-Barbera ripped off itself. Never heard of the Roman one!

I just described a cog as a circle with teeth and my son thought it was funny to call the sticky out bits as teeth.

I’m just hoping he doesn’t ask about crenellations next.

Cogs are gear teeth.
That’s not a cog, it’s a sprocket! George Jetson works for Spacely Sprockets.
I was thinking of the competitor: Cogswell’s Cogs!
I always call it a gear.
Cogs are typically square tooth, gears have involute teeth.
The definition online says that the teeth of the gears are cogs, which I’d never heard of before.
Me neither. We were taught cogs were those janky gears for certain tasks, while a true gear had geometry for smooth engagment

Lot of boomer-like fist shaking in these comments.

Newer generations are going to find different things to excel at, and they’ll inevitably give up on some of the old ways.

Companies used to train workers, now they just complain that workers aren’t pre-trained by some magical process. (And millennials are old enough that we’ve forgotten how dumb we were in our 20s.)
I was teaching flight school by the time I was 23. I started studying the books at 14 and started flight school in earnest at 16. It’s called teaching adolescents to do shit.