I'm really loving how Mastodon has become a refuge for all the grizzled seafarers on the ocean of the internet. They pop up in my feed and their bios all say something like
"I've been online for longer than the internet. I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. 56k modems on fire in the light of Usenet. I watched IRC forks glitter in the dark near the Gateway 3000. All those moments will be lost in slop, like tears in rain. Time to deshittify."
Unless those refugees are Jews, then it's basically like being on Twitter or Facebook circa 2017.
@serge I initially had a harsher response to this, then I went through your feed, and I'll instead simply say this:
I get where you're coming from, but your post was extremely off-topic, and I think is more likely to cost than gain you allies. You can agree or not agree with how Mastodon has a disproportionate number of grizzled tech veterans, but I don't think that's the right context to bring Zionism into the chat. And if you were actually around in 2017? Honestly, I'd *take* 2017 Twitter or Facebook over 2025 *anything*. So I'm not even entirely sure what your point was
I'm pointing out that there's a high degree of antisemitism on the Fediverse.
I didn't bring up Zionism. I talked about antisemitism, and I can assure you that there's plenty of antisemitism thrown at Jews who have either never expressed an opinion on Zionism, or who have expressed anti-Zionist views.
I was on Twitter in ~2008/2009, so yeah I was on twitter in 2017.
My point was that antisemitism and harassment of Jews was widespread then,. and that's about the level that the Fediverse is now.
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I think so. I also think the first amendment doesn’t apply to this anymore, so watch yourself. It’s not nice out there.
Saying that the Israeli government is doing bad thing is not antisemitic, unless it's said in an antisemitic way.
Having criticism doesn't give one carte blanche to express that criticism any way they like.
For example, someone might have disagreed with President Obama on issues of foreign policy, but that does not then give them the right to use the N-word.
Too many people are using criticism of the Israeli government to call for murdering Jews, as just one example, or by making comparisons of Jews to Nazis, both of which are antisemitic.
There is plenty of Israeli governmental policy criticism, including from me, but not expressed without antisemitic hate speech.
> Saying that the Israeli government is doing bad thing is not antisemitic, unless it's said in an antisemitic way.
Easy agreement here,
> Having criticism doesn't give one carte blanche to express that criticism any way they like.
Same here. Normal discourse only.
> For example, someone might have disagreed with President Obama on issues of foreign policy, but that does not then give them the right to use the N-word.
On the same page as of yet!
> Too many people are using criticism of the Israeli government to call for murdering Jews, as just one example, or by making comparisons of Jews to Nazis, both of which are antisemitic.
Calling for murdering Jews is indeed classic anti-semitism.
Comparing Jews to Nazis is anti-semitic as well, **BUT** drawing clear parallel's between the Israeli government and Nazi Germany in the light of genocide (and in the case of Israel sometimes even worse then genocide) should be permitted. As it's clear and present. It's a way of saying that the Israeli Government should know better.
> There is plenty of Israeli governmental policy criticism, including from me, but not expressed in a hateful way.
I disagree here. I currently have a dislike for the Israeli Government because of their hateful way's. Saying I cannot be hateful back to them is odd.
And just to be sure; the PLO and later Hamas are no picnic either. (Not part of the talk here, but wanted to have said it)
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