DeadNinjaOpenAI Says It’s "Over" If It Can’t Steal All Your Copyrighted Work
AfricanExpansionistObligatory: I’m anti-AI, mostly anti-technology
That said, I can’t say that I mind LLMs using copyrighted materials that it accesses legally/appropriately (lots of copyrighted content may be freely available to some extent, like news articles or song lyrics)
I’m open to arguments correcting me. I’d prefer to have another reason to be against this technology, not arguing on the side of frauds like Sam Altman. Here’s my take:
All content created by humans follows consumption of other content. If I read lots of Vonnegut, I should be able to churn out prose that roughly (or precisely) includes his idiosyncrasies as a writer. We read more than one author; we read dozens or hundreds over our lifetimes. Likewise musicians, film directors, etc etc.
If an LLM consumes the same copyrighted content and learns how to copy its various characteristics, how is it meaningfully different from me doing it and becoming a successful writer?
In your example, you could also be sued for ripping off his style.
You can sue for anything in the USA. But it is pretty much impossible to successfully sue for “ripping off someone’s style”. Where do you even begin to define a writing style?
“style”, in terms of composition, is actually a component in proving plagiarism.
There are lots of ways to characterize writing style. Go read Finnegans Wake and tell me James Joyce doesn’t have a characteristic style.
Teen Girl Squad "IT'S OVER!" end screen here.
Onno (VK6FLAB)“Your proposal is acceptable.”
1984Please let it be over, yes.
Nobody even tries to write code from scratch anymore. I think it will have a lot of negative effects on programmers over time.
If this passes, piracy websites can rebrand as AI training material websites and we can all run a crappy model locally to train on pirated material.
Another win for piracy community
Sam Altman is a lying hype-man. He deserves to see his company fail.
A_norny_mousseFuck Sam Altmann, the fartsniffer who convinced himself & a few other dumb people that his company really has the leverage to make such demands.
“Oh, but democracy!” - don’t you see, that ship has sailed. Also, you don’t give a single fuck about democracy, you’re just scared because a chinese company offers what you offer for a fraction of the price/resources.
Which will ultimately unveil the scam you and your tech bros have been running for a decade now.
Yes, I’ve been listening to Ed Zitron.
gosh Ed Zitron is such an anodyne voice to hear, I felt like I was losing my mind until I listened to some of his stuff
Yeah, he has the ability to articulate what I was already thinking about LLMs and bring in hard data to back up his thesis that it’s all bullshit. Dangerous and expensive bullshit, but bullshit nonetheless.
It’s really sad that his willingness to say the tech industry is full of shit is such an unusual attribute in the tech journalism world.
It’s really sad that his willingness to say the tech industry is full of shit is such an unusual attribute in the tech journalism world.
What is interesting is if he didn’t pretty regularly say in so many words " why the fuck AM I the guy who is sounding the alarm here?? " I would be much more skeptical of his points. He isn’t someone that is directly aligned with the industry, at least not in an “authoritative expert capable of doing a thorough takedown of a bubble/hype mirage” sense that you would expect someone sounding the alarm on a bubble to be. I mean I can tell the guy likes the attention (not in a bad sense really), but he seems utterly genuine in the attitude of " wtf, well ok I will do it… but like seriously I AM the guy who is sounding the alarm here? This isn’t honestly my direct area of expertise? I will provide you a thorough explantion with proof… but my argument really isn’t complicated, it is just ‘business doesn’t make money why will no one acknowledge that’ and it breaks my brain that people that are experts in directly adjacent/relevant things can’t see this…? am I high? "
… cus yeah Ed Zitron, that is how a lot of us fucking feel right now.
(these aren’t direct quotes, I was summarizing, go watch/listen to some of Ed Zitron’s stuff, none of his arguments hinge on anything unreasonable or especially complicated, which is the worrying part…)
But when China steals all their (arguably not copywrite-able) work…
Sam Altman hasn’t complained surprisingly, he just said there’s competition and it will be harder for OpenAI to compete with open source. I think their small lead is essentially gone, and their plan is now to suckle Microsoft’s teet.
HiddenLayer555it will be harder for OpenAI to compete with open source
Can we revoke the word open from their name? Please?
China, the new bogeyman to replace the USSR
Has been since 1991
This is a tough one
Open-ai is full of shit and should die but then again, so should copyright law as it currently is
PropaGandalfyes, screw them both. let altman scrape all the copyright material and choke on it
I feel like it would be ok if AI generated images/text would be clearly marked(but i dont think its possible in the case of text)
Who would support something made stealing the hard work of other people if they could tell instantly
Stealing means the initial item is no longer there
If someone is profiting off someone elses work, i would argue its stealing
Oh no…
Anyway…
Anyway…