Null User ObjectYSK You can find a Tesla protest near you at.teslatakedown.com
DetectiveSanityTake down tesla why exactly?
How exactly does that help?
Elongated Muskrat is currently sabotaging democracy. This is one of the few ways we can deliver consequences for his actions.
I would assume that changing the law is the course of action to prevent unauthorized access to critical systems.
You have a legalised form of corruption that has been crippling your justice systems for a while now that must be your primary concern.
You are thinking far to linearly. Think of this as a guerilla tactics to take advantage of media focus and what would happen if Musk crashed out.
Lets assume you managed to somehow bankrupt tesla. You effectively managed to stop one billionaire from using one of his many companies as a fast ATM.
This does not solve the problem (billionaires affecting your governing system) in my perspective but merely mitigates a temporary symptom.
CosmicTurtle0 [he/him]Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good enough.
Not all of us have the means to overthrow a government. We do have the means to make buying a Tesla as embarrassing and as difficult as possible.
If you want to help find a government overthrow, I suggest that you work with the embassy for your country in the US to help make that change.
My own country is even more rotten than yours but I will not keep attacking the symptoms instead of fighting the virus!
I would delusional otherwise!
Feel free to organize your own superior plan. I look forward to contributing to whatever effective measures you have in mind.
Clearly you have better ideas of what we can do. That’s awesome! Get out there and start organizing people to implement your superior plan! 💪
We obviously know it’s broken. The far right has control of every branch of the government, tell us how new laws are passed when there are no checks and balances?
And yes, before its stated, i know a lot of blame is on the left who didn’t codify shit when they had the chance, that’s the past, that doesn’t help us now.
PerogiBoiIsn’t boycotting Tesla illegal?
LOL, wut? Where on earth did you get that idea? It’ll be illegal if the fascists get their way and take over, but we’re not there yet. This is one way we can help to stop that from happening.
thenextguyIt’s something trump said.
Ah ha. Thanks. That definitely needed a /s in this context.
Haha so rather than check out what your president says you just flame whoever informed you. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
There was nothing about your comment indicating it was something Trump said. He says a thousand dumbass things every day. Nobody can keep track of it all. You shouldn’t expect everyone to have had all the same experiences you’ve had. A comment like that really requires a /s to signal that you’re not being serious.
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It’s genuinely not my problem if you aren’t able to discern reality from sarcasm. Take personal responsibility for your own mistakes. Telling other people off because you made a mistake just makes you look silly. Take care.
I hope the rest of your day is as pleasant as you are.
See, that doesn’t need a /s. Sometimes sarcasm is obvious in written form. Sometimes it’s not.
You mean Tesler?
You’re very right. My bad.
Tesla is sort of a proxy for Musk’s wealth and power, and is becoming a lightning rod.
It’s not so much about practicality, but desperation and an opportunity to send a message.
queermunist she/herMusk borrows against Tesla all the time. Billionaires don’t generally have a ton of liquid cash, they need to take out loans and put up collateral.
Lets assume you managed to somehow bankrupt tesla. You effectively managed to stop one billionaire from using one of his many companies as a fast ATM.
This does not solve the problem (billionaires affecting your governing system) in my perspective but merely mitigates a temporary symptom.
His other companies aren’t valued as highly.
The only one that seems to make money is SpaceX, and that one isn’t public so we don’t actually know if it makes money or it’s as shitty as all his other companies.
Without Tesla he’ll have real trouble getting loans… or Trump will give him a bailout, obviously, but it would still be useful if more people saw that he’s not self-made and relies on free money from the government.
You really missed my point by a long shot didn’t you?
Maybe you missed mine.
Musk is the First Buddy and the “richest” man on Earth. Trump basically has him running the government with his doggy department.
If Tesla goes down, he might go down with it. Trump would drop him in an instant - “sorry honey, you’re no longer HOT!” That doesn’t abolish all billionaires, obviously, but it solves an acutely troublesome one.
Godspeed to you my friend!
You’re awfully combative for someone “just asking a question”.
You’re right I might have carried some of the charge from the other user towards this one unfairly. Sometimes I should just allow people to live in their happy delusional solutions.
Frankly sooner or later they had this coming so here’s one more piece for them to downvote if it makes them feel better.
Clearly you have better ideas of what we can do. That’s awesome! Get out there and start organizing people to implement your superior plan! 💪
I had a genuine question as to how that did actually fix the issue and all the replies are referring about tangentially mitigating a symotom.
Your still not talking about your better idea. We’re all ears. Don’t hold back. What do you think we should do, instead?
Step 1 : Make lobbying illegal. This you can achieve by form of petition to present the bill. Regular peaceful protests would put pressure on the approval body to pass it.
Step 2 : Introduce/Reintroduce and put power to referendums. Without a valid route to voice your vote it’s all in the wind. Methods to achieve the stand the same as before.
Step 3 : Choose your elected from your own and change your election system to a preferential one rather than a binary. This would be much easier once the first two are complete.
I am no billionaire nor a lower to present you anoy other assistance. I was not going to buy a tesla anyway because as an engineer they don’t make much logical sense to me.
Have I done this for my own country? Not yet. Why? Because my own are too busy listening to propaganda to see the glaring problems.
These are not things individuals can do this weekend. These all require the actions of the politicians that are owned by the billionaires that don’t want these changes. What are your great ideas that individual citizens can implement right now?
A petition can begin this very weekend for one.
What’s that going to do? Who is going to pay any attention to it? Certainly not the politicians owned by the billionaires. Certainly not the billionaires for whom such an action will not hurt them in any way. You’re here criticizing this protest as being ineffective, but only present alternatives actions when pressed, and your supposed alternatives are even less effective. Either put up something that at least has a credible probability of helping, or STFU.
A bitter smell radiates from this response as if I am am the root cause to your issue here.
You demanded my opinion and I shared what I percieve to be the better solution. I agree that it takes more time and effort but thats the way to prevent a bunch of billionaires making a slave out of us. If you seek for everyone to agree with you than freedom of speech is nothing but a phrase in the dictionary.
Incorrect. You’re in here criticizing people actually taking action, from your armchair warrior position, admitting to not actually doing anything yourself, because… reasons.
Nobody is saying these protest are going to solve everything. Not by a long shot. But they are one of the things people can do right now that will help. Evidence? Tesla stock is down 33% in the last month, and over 50% since December. That’s hurting Muskrat directly, as evidenced by Trump shilling for Tesla from the Whitehouse.
You introduced the virus vs symptom treatment analogy. Well how about this. If you have a disease, and the only medication available to you at the moment only treats the symptoms, then you still take that medicine. You work towards getting a medication that will treat the disease, but you don’t turn down the one you have now, or criticize others for doing so.
I see no point in engaging in this topic any longer.
Good luck to you my friend!
Nice chatting with you, ChatGPT. Have a nice day.
Dadd VolanteAh yes! Get idea! Just completely change the system! Why didn’t WE think of that!
Good show! I’ll call everyone today and tell them that these protests are completely stupid and we have a better idea now
I fail to understand why exactly are you so charged about this. I am not the one who put Musk in charge.
You want something but are not prepared to do the legwork for it and resent anyone who has a different opinion that what suits you.
I fail to understand where you drew the conclusion that I’m not doing any legwork
Have a fun-tastic day, friend
It’s better than doing nothing. It can reduce his influence as he won’t have as much wealth available to buy politicians.
Whats your plan? Sit and complain that people are desperate on Lemmy? How does that help?
I’ve already made my suggestions. I am not complaining either instead poiting out that this makes no significant difference in the grand scheme of things. I know because something similar has been trialed across Eastern Europe a while now with minescule results.
At best you’ll take one and two more will pop taking their place. I would really like to have a civilised discussion but so far most are triggered just because I raised a rhetorical question.
The problem is we are all choosing to do things with our time that aren’t perfectly efficient. These comments aren’t going to change anything, yet we’re still making them. Actions being perfect is not the goal. Actions that get people motivated is.
I wouldn’t usually go and tell you that you’re not doing anything useful by commenting, but since that’s what you’re doing I think it’s important. Either stop dismissing people taking these actions or recognize that you’re wasting your time too. Stop implying that they should stop. They’re doing far more than you or I are right now.
I did not at any point imply nor directly say they should give up. Instead I suggested a route that takes care of the root cause itself rather than dealing with one of the symptomps.
You are also correct in saying that I am wasting my time sharing my perspective of a solution with someone who is not open to a different opinion. I plead guilty.
No, I meant you’re wasting your time posting on Lemmy in general. We aren’t going to accomplish anything posting on here. Just as we’re wasting our time, they may be also. They’re doing a lot more than we are.
At the very least, it has to slightly annoy him. But likely also has a psychological effect. Will it make him suddenly decide not to be an asshole? Probably not. But it may spin him further out of control, to where he starts making even stupider decisions until he finally fucks with the wrong people or the wrong stuff and then really finds out.
He’s also desperate now that Tesla is losing massive amount of its value too
Yup. If Tesla goes down, he won’t be able to take out loans as easily anymore and might need to sell assets for liquid cash.
Does my diesel pickup truck count as protest against Tesla?
No, just a protest against saving money.
People don’t seem to understand. It’s not a protest against electric cars. It’s a protest against oligarchy.
Don’t forget. Hitler loved Henry Ford.
definitely. We go after Tesla because of what it’s billionaire owner stands for.
I don’t feel like that’s the case. The cheapest used pickup available right now costs 3x as much as I paid for mine. The price difference pays for my fuel for 10 years.
TBH Teslas have always been status symbols for the uber wealthy.
If they were a true “people’s car,” they’d be plug in hybrids with a tiny gas generator… and like half the price.
What I like most about electric cars is that there’s so much less moving parts that break and need to be replaced. With a hybrid this isn’t really the case. I wouldn’t mind getting an electric pickup but they’re just way out of my price range and I don’t quite feel like getting one that’s all new and shiny because I use mine for work and it’ll eventually get all banged up anyway. Also, really difficult to find one with just two seats and a long bed.
It absolutely is.
The problem with EVs is that the battery is massive, expensive, and suffers from the the tyranny of the rocket equation: The more battery you have, the more battery you need to haul that battery around, and so on.
Hence, pure EVs are extremely heavy and expensive.
Stick in a self contained generator, just a few horsepower like a backup generator you’d find at Lowe’s, and it short circuits this equation. You can have a really small, lightweight battery on a lightweight frame because a four horsepower range extender weighs practically nothing, and is ridiculously fuel efficient from being so small and constant RPM.
That’s what a plug in hybrid is. All electric, with a backup generator in the boot and like 1000lb lighter.
This is very distinct from true hybrid ICE vehicles like the Prius, which is a frankly a stupid way to engineer it these days. The only reason they do is because it uses existing ICE manufacturing, as it’s mostly an ICE car with a transmission and everything.
This is not how all plug in hybrids work. This is a specific type of hybrid usually called in-series. The engine is not connected to the powertrain and it only supplies energy to the battery or motors
The biggest “issue” is that now you have a generator in your car making a constant noise that is not “attractive” or feels “luxurious” which unfortunately the people with money to adopt new technologies look for
Ram is releasing one soon caranddriver.com/…/2025-ram-1500-ramcharger-revea…
BYD and Nissan have similar technologies, but it is not widely adopted yet