Kore Nordmann
I've used Firefox as my main browser for more then 20 years now. I've always believed that the web needs alternative rendering engines (first next to Internet Explorer, now next to Chrome) and I strongly believe in Open Source (not free software). Mozilla's takes on Bitcoin and AI already were hard to bear with, but the recent changes in their terms of service made me now switch to Librewolf. Why can't we have good things and everything has to be run like an ever growing capitalist business?
Mar 4, 2025 at 8:15amWeb
Show threadAlerta! Alerta!Mar 4, 2025

@kore So in essence you are now hiding your usage of Firefox behind a proxy?

They removed their absolute stance that they will never ever sell your data. But... What data do they have from you?

And why would they need to sell it?

Yes! I would prefer a statement from @mozillaofficial along the line of "We provide a separate TOS to everyone that purchases a licence and when enough people do so we ditch the AI and Bitcoin BS as well".

If you aren't the customer, you're the product 🤷

Show threadKore NordmannMar 4, 2025

@heiglandreas @mozillaofficial in theory, a well-funded non-profit SHOULD NOT need to make you the product and could provide a service. And this how I wish the Mozilla Foundation would act and use their money: Focus on good, open things for the public web.

And yes, the options for the web are far more limited then I wish them to be. Chrome is obviously worse by enabling Google to ship their DRM bullshit and define web standards. So what are my options if I want to continue to exist in the web?

Show threadAlerta! Alerta!Mar 4, 2025

@kore ... Lynx?

I'll show myself out....

On a more serious note: IMO FF (or one of it's clones) is still the best option we have right now. And perhaps at one point we might get another option with servo but that is something in the future - and also requires an entity in the background that allows it to thrive and make the right decisions.

Whatever "right" means.

And sadly using bullshit-bingo tech is in certain tech-savvy circles still easier than not...

Show threadKore NordmannMar 4, 2025
@heiglandreas there's also https://servo.org/ – but I can't see how a complex development like a rendering engine could ever be truly "open" given the macroeconomic environment.
Servo aims to empower developers with a lightweight, high-performance alternative for embedding web technologies in applications.

Servo is a web rendering engine written in Rust, with WebGL and WebGPU support, and adaptable to desktop, mobile, and embedded applications.

Servo
Show threadDavid Soria ParraMar 4, 2025
@kore generally the answer is money. People don’t want to pay for browsers or don’t want ads in their browsers making it very very hard to finance a project of that size
Show threadKore NordmannMar 4, 2025
@dsp I know, though Mozilla has no money problems since they're sleeping with Google. So at least use this money in the interest of non-corps. But if you continuously hire CEOs who would prefer to work in big corps, we all know what we get…
Show threadJohannes ✔️Mar 4, 2025

@dsp @kore money in Mozilla is an interesting problem ... One can donate to the foundation, but that doesn't go towards the browser development, but only to their political campaigns.

For browser development they got their corporation, but they are happy with Google's money and don't take mine.

And yes, at that size of the project it is tough: they can't simply take random GitHub doantions (or similar schemes), but require a bit more predictability, but I claim there are enough willing to pay