Is there an instance for Democratic Socialists rather than Communists?
I fled Reddit due to the authoritarian mod craziness, but Lemmy.world seems infested with too much Communist craziness. I’m leftist, but communism is idiocy. Is there an instance that leans more democratic socialist but refrains from going off the deep end?
Let’s talk about this in a little more detail.
What do you consider going off the deep end? What do you consider leftist? Which ideas do you consider idiocy? What is your idea of a society worth living in?
I personally am open to any ideas that exclude discrimination of identity. For me the tolerance paradoxon applies.
I’m happy to hear your thoughts.
I’m also looking for a place without edgy or crazy people.
For me its:
Democratic: yes
Socialism/social net/sharing/helping: yes
Dictatorial: no
Tankie: no
Undemocratic: no
China or CCCP/URSS worship: no
Soviet whitewashing: no
That’s about it.
Edit: I was looking for a community not an instance (I have my own but I still uses .world as I had some trouble, time to migrate back home I guess :-) ) but thanks for all helpful comments!
I think thats valid. You don’t have to accept or look at everything.
Do you mind sharing what your ideal society looks like? I think a lot of folks share common ideas but have vastly different labels for them.
I’ll go ahead:
I personally want to work. It can be fun. I want to do things I’m actually good at. I want to be able to afford food and housing. I want to know that i wont starve if I become sick or disabled. I want to be able to survive when I’m too old to work regularly. I want my family to be safe no matter what.
I think those are pretty understandable goals. I want to live in a world where this applies to as many people as possible.
Yeah we all have to work (or contribute to society by our possible means) that’s a given I think.
No ultra rich people (but you need to dream, so no communist pay either). UBI that covers basic food & housing. Art and science as the goal of society (after taking care of everyone).
The problem is what to do with all egomaniacs, is there enough benevolent people or will nobody become a dentist if you don’t need to work (that much)? I mean lots of people get up in the morning and spends their whole life working, because of some crazy angry people (don’t believe me? Go work in some big companies). How do we re-train those people, how do we keep an army? Lots and lots of open ended questions here.
See! I fully agree on the social aspects of your ideals. I would like to give my opinion on your points. Please read them as ideas, not a form of diminishing your thoughts.
Yeah we all have to work (or contribute to society by our possible means) that’s a given I think.
Actually, i dont think we do. We produce a lot more than we need (food for 10 billion people) and a lot of crap that only fuels consumerism. Not saying there is an alternative yet but maybe we can agree on “some people definitely need to work for us to survive and thrive.”
No ultra rich people
Fully agree
(but you need to dream, so no communist pay either).
But do we? Or is it just a concept we use to keep the current situation going? Would we not dream if we just had the same?
UBI that covers basic food & housing. Art and science as the goal of society (after taking care of everyone).
100% agree
The problem is what to do with all egomaniacs, is there enough benevolent people or will nobody become a dentist if you don’t need to work (that much)?
would you rather do an easier job that one you have passion and skills for if they were paid the same? I agree that moving trash or working in the sewers should potentially be paid extra. I think currently, education being expensive, doctors are kept scarce. Make it free and watch.
I mean lots of people get up in the morning and spends their whole life working, because of some crazy angry people (don’t believe me? Go work in some big companies).
I have. Huge companies are cancer. Nothing more.
How do we re-train those people, how do we keep an army? Lots and lots of open ended questions here
from the bottom up, as always. We vote as left as possible (those who still can). We demand UBI, free education, free public transport, fair taxes, free healthcare, etc. We build communities (currently underway) to subvert oppressive systems with mutual support groups, etc.
Again, this is just my personal opinion so please disagree wildly if you wish. Just try to stay constructive.
When you say “but do we?” you hit the problem I see almost always in these kind of discussions.
Yes we do need to dream. Other people don’t need to dream. They both exist and that’s just about one thing. Some have to have a house, another hates children, a third loathes bicycles for whatever reason, another hikes but can’t understand why foreign aid isn’t used for urbanism.
It’s all chaos, and one system fit all isn’t going to cut it IMO. It’s also the reason democracy seems so crappy (no one ever really gets anything the politicians promise) but also the only working system.
Rant off/ :-)
So what can we do to improve our democracies?
lemmy.dbzer0.com - anarchist, hates all states, both USA and Russia/China types
Other non-tankie options are
sh.itjust.works - shhhh… 🤫 it… just works… 😉
lemmy.ca - Canadian 🇨🇦
sopuli.xyz - Run by a Finn 🇫🇮
db0 is a really cool person. Has the piracy sub there too :-)
Sopuli is very pro Ukrainian. Cool good finnish guy it seems.
You could replace the socialism with communism and it would be the perfect party.
We need democratic communists. Too many of these so-called “communists” are just bad faith actors who ignore Karl Marx’s teachings, worship dictatorships and play dirty.
Democratic Socialists are the next best option at the moment.
I love everything you say (I don’t know what CBC is though) but the communist revolution is not that, it’s a bloodbath where workers take the power. Does it have to be a bloodbath? It seems so in a communist uprising because the power in place will not budge otherwise.
So I’m much more on your line, but without calling it the name communism.
She’s talking about reformism as though it is revolution, and is using revolution as a term for “system change.” I won’t say that’s linguistically wrong, but among Marxists that strategy is called reformism, and is generally seen as strategically futile by Marxists since Marx himself. Revolution, in the Marxian strain, looks like the Paris Commune, Russian Revolution, Cuban, Vietnamese, Chinese, etc. as all of the strategies she is espousing are seen as impossible to actually do with the present level of power workers have within the system.
If Marxists believed the system could be reformed, they would be first in line, but in the overwhelming majority of countries where Capitalists have power, this is impossible. A notable exception is countries under the thumb of Imperialism, who usually can band together against Imperialism and form a coalition, though usually revolution is seen as necessary following breaking free (as the CPC and the KMT in China aligned against Japanese colonialism and then fought a revolutionary war against each other).
lemmy.world
is too communist for you?!?!?
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Holy shit! Genocide, banning, censoring, trolling, and worst of all, brigading.
I didn’t realize you’d written my name down. Oh shit. Well, that pretty much settles it, I withdraw entirely my request for some sort of proof of these things you’re accusing me of.
I am. I’ve traveled internationally some amount. I am sure it varies by country, but the people who have a notable reaction to China/USSR-style communism, from outside the US, have a much stronger hostility to it than the US people I know. Because generally they have more experience with it.
US people don’t like socialism, and think it is “communism.” That part is true, but that wasn’t what I was talking about.
The idea that so many of the people on Lemmy are communists is what led me to think you’re an American. I am too, which is why I know the bias of the American political spectrum starts way more to the right than most of the world. So Americans tend to label ideas more left leaning than they really are.
The communists and tankies are about 90% on the lemmy.ml instance. The rest of Lemmy is left but most as are not communists.
The communists and tankies are about 90% on the lemmy.ml instance. The rest of Lemmy is left but most as are not communists.
Yeah. In case it wasn’t clear, I was talking about being able to encounter overt authoritarian communists at all on lemmy.world, not saying that most of the lemmy.world users themselves are communists. My reaction was very specifically to the word “communist” and not referring to the existence of anarchist / general working-class oriented stuff on Lemmy.
I think most of the lemmy.world users fall pretty much in the sensible region of opinion: Israel is bad, the CCP is bad, Russia’s war in Ukraine is bad. Gay people are ok. Unions are good and the US state is oppressive. Just normal stuff (within my own personal Overton window). Of course a lot of US people would see that as some horrifying communism, but that’s not at all what I was saying, although I can see maybe it came across that way.
Mostly I was saying that I can sympathize with this person coming to lemmy.world and seeing federated content that says “yay China, Tienanmen Square was exaggerated, all this stuff about North Korea is just giving them a bad rap because imperialism” and having this shocked reaction because of it. Whether or not it originates from lemmy.world, it’s weird to see it on lemmy.world or on the modern internet at all. Usually the free exchange of ideas can educate people out of that pretty quickly. I think it’s a symptom of (a) Lemmy having particular features which enable someone to create an echo chamber specifically for proliferating that stuff (b) the world as a whole has gotten more unhinged from reality and so it’s easier for counterfactual stuff to find a solid footing.
.world is hardly the home of the tankie, what you see might be posts from lemmy.ml
There are two other places known as lemmygrad and hexbear that are outright communist/tankie that you’ll see occasionally brigade when someone posts anything positive about the USA.
This and most others are pretty sane. One that comes to mind for what you’re asking particularly might be slrpnk.net/signup who seem kind of left but not Stalin left.
Otherwise there’s the join Lemmy link at the bottom of any given instance to look through.
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lemmy.dbzer0.com is anarchist and stongly hates all states, both USA and the Russia, China types.
lemmy world is neoliberal, I mean, tankies do post there, but the moderation is mostly neoliberal and are anti-violence absolutists, even if its directed towards nazis
lemmy.ml, lemmygrad.ml, and hexbear.net (now chapo.chat) are tankies, avoid those
Pretty much everyone else on lemmy are anti-authoritarian and pro- socialist policies, some are social democrats, others are democratic socialists, some are anarchists.
If you don’t like tankies:
lemmy.dbzer0.com (we have [email protected] 😉)
sh.itjust.works
lemmy.ca
sopuli.xyz
piracy community is blocked on lemmy.world btw, so you might as well joine us, or any of my recommended ones.
TLDR: lemmy.world is not “communist”, just just a few tankies that love to post thinnly veiled authoritarianism.
Edit: Also, you are probably seeing federated posts from lemmy.ml, I block most of those communities except like a few non-political ones like c/privacy
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I don’t give two shits about the community. I wasn’t a part of it
That’s another red flag right there 🤷♂️
You’re so certain you did absolutely nothing wrong, but that requires you to understand the community rules and be certain you didn’t violate them. But you admit you not only aren’t a member but don’t give a shit about the community.
Do you really not see how this comes across?
Can you show me one community on all of Lemmy in which it’s rule says you cannot criticize the source of a post? Also I don’t know why you think I’m incapable of checking the rules of a community, extremely insulting for no reason whatsoever. If you’re so positive I did something wrong you’re free to prove it. You can go back and look it up.
Do you not see how you’re coming across though? You say you’re not pretending that there isn’t a massive moderation problem on world and here you are tying yourself in knots when people tell you of massive moderation problems on the world.
We are way off in the theoretical right now and you are asking me to defend a point I didn’t make.
You said all you did was criticize an article. You have given no other context other than 1) you weren’t a part of the community and 2) you don’t give a shit about the community. Now you’re off talking about theoretical nonsense.
I am responding to what you wrote. This is your story, it’s supposed to be favorable toward you and frankly it isn’t. You don’t owe me an explanation but if you’re going to defend yourself you’re going to have to do better than strawmen and sounding disrespectful towards a community you allegedly did nothing wrong in.
Disrespectful to a community you serious? And no other context? I told you it was a New York Post article. If you need more context than that then I can’t help you. You are just not a serious person.
You have backed yourself into an impossible situation to defend. That’s why you’re resorting to personal attack and hostility here. There’s entire communities, which apparently you don’t respect I guess, dedicated to mod abuse in World in particular. Yet you seem to think it’s impossible for a mod to be unreasonable. As I’ve said before if you’d like to show me how my comments were unreasonable you may do so.
You disagreed with an article on a community you aren’t a part of/don’t give a shit about and that single act of disagreeing got you banned.
That’s the whole story? And you think it’s adequate/properly explains what happens?
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