alphacyberrangerChina’s “Artificial Sun” Shatters Fusion Record With Over 17 Minutes of Plasma
Null User ObjectAny announcements like this coming from China should be taken with a huge grain of salt the size of… China.
surph_ninjaIt’s wild that y’all feel so comfortable being so openly Sinophobic.
Skepticism of positive press (aka propaganda) from a country notorious for cracking down on negative press (i.e. any mention of Tiananmen Square) is not a phobia. It’s completely justified.
So we’re going to pretend increased financing for scientific study does not lead to better results, because you don’t appreciate them pushing back against US propaganda.
Here’s your logical fallacy.
Moving the goalposts
Moving the goalposts is an informal logical fallacy in which previously agreed-upon standards for deciding an argument are arbitrarily changed once they have been met. Usually the "losing" side in an argument deploys this gambit in a desperate bid to save face. If the goalposts are moved far enough, then the standards can eventually evolve[1] into something that cannot be met no matter what (or anything will meet said standard — if the losing side is trying to meet the standard using this tactic). Usually, such a tactic is spotted quickly. Often, moving the goalposts is an exercise in slothful induction.
What goalposts do you believe were moved?
The discussion was about the unreliability of Chinese propaganda. You moved to funding scientific research. You didn’t just move the goalpost a bit. You relocated it to a different city.
Incorrect. Someone posited that China’s scientific achievements were merely propaganda, and I pointed out that they have invested heavily in research, which tends to produce outcomes.
In fact, you attempted to move the goalposts to non-scientific anti-China propaganda, and it fell flat. Then you attempted to DARVO by accusing others of what you are doing.
If you’ve actually forgotten what we’re discussing, look at the original post. We are discussing China’s scientific breakthroughs.
Incorrect. Someone
Me
posited that China’s scientific achievements
alleged achievements
were merely propaganda,
No. If true, the achievements are achievements. Actual achievements aren’t propaganda. However, the claims of the alleged achievements are coming from a country notorious for whitewashing history and making claims of scientific discoveries that later turn out to be optimistic at best, and often complete fabrications. So, skepticism of their claims of achievements (aka propaganda) is justified.
And that’s what this thread, that I started, is about. Responding to a post about some alleged scientific breakthrough, stating that such claims should be taken with a big grain of salt (aka, skepticism).
YOU then moved the goalpost to try to argue about whether increased funding for scientific research leads to better results. We don’t know that these results actually happened. We don’t know that there was actually any increase in funding. All we know is that a notorious liar is claiming so. This thread was never about whether funding scientific research can lead to discoveries. It’s about claims of discoveries from China are not reliable.
and I pointed out that they have invested heavily in research, which tends to produce outcomes.
And that’s when you moved the goalpost, likely because you don’t want to discuss China’s history of lies and propaganda.
Yes, you referenced the Tiananmen Square incident, which itself has been propagandized by the west with claims that have all been debunked.
Using a debunked western hoax as your reference really isn’t helping your point.