CatFeb 12, 2025

Dems Reportedly Angry That Progressives Are Pushing Them to Act Like an Opposition Party.

https://ponder.cat/post/1613522

Dems Reportedly Angry That Progressives Are Pushing Them to Act Like an Opposition Party. - Ponder.cat

> House Democratic lawmakers reportedly used a closed-door meeting earlier this week to vent their frustrations with progressive advocacy groups that have been driving constituent calls and pressuring the party to act like a genuine opposition force in the face of the Trump administration’s authoritarian assault on federal agencies and key programs.

Show threadanonymous_in_atlFeb 13, 2025
If they’re so pissed about it, the progressives should just pack up and form a new party or join the WFP
Show threadDonkterFeb 13, 2025
Yeah it’s a clever lie that’s perpetuated that says progressives have no where to go if they try to break from the Democrats. But secretly a more progressive platform would actually draw over a lot of disaffected libertarians and lite conservatives who only vote conservative because they’ve been convinced that they should only vote in opposition to Democrats instead of in favor of anything.
Show threadramiFeb 13, 2025

from my experience with some libertarian 2a people I’d agree with this. I was surprised how indifferent (good) they were about minorities and trans people considering how they vote. honestly having a pro-drug, pro-gun* platform would win a huge chunk of them. and both of those would also be good for oppressed minorities (imo).

actually sitting here thinking about it do we have any figures on how much tax money gets pumped into prison systems that rely on drug enforcement to fill? not to mention the military industrial complex. cuz I know leftists like to riff on libertarians about “I don’t understand how taxes work” but there’s a lot of tax money going to things I don’t agree with either.

  • more like “sex positive” in the sense of education and safety and not shaming people who partake. not whatever the NRA is doing.
Show threadJoeBigelowFeb 13, 2025
I’ve always said if Democrats just shut the fuck up about guns or God forbid even walk back a teensy but, they would have no problem winning. Plenty of single issue voters vote red because of successful propaganda. How the hell anybody thinks anyone is coming for their buns is beyond me, I always ask for an explanation of who and how their guns will be taken from them. Never a coherent answer.
Show threadEnsign_CrabFeb 14, 2025

I’ve always said if Democrats just shut the fuck up about guns or God forbid even walk back a teensy but, they would have no problem winning.

Gun nuts won’t buy it. The base will. Moving to the right has hit a wall and anyone who suggests it just likes moving to the right.

Show threadJoeBigelow
Laying off the gun issue doesn’t have to be a move to the right, plenty of leftists own guns. I’m just saying they should clearly state that they aren’t coming for anyone’s guns
Feb 14, 2025 at 3:36pmWeb
Show threadEnsign_CrabFeb 14, 2025

Laying off the gun issue doesn’t have to be a move to the right

But it will be.

I’m just saying they should clearly state that they aren’t coming for anyone’s guns

You expect gun nuts to buy that?

Show threadJoeBigelowFeb 14, 2025
Why do you have to jump right to the extreme? If you’re looking for useful discourse, immediately shutting down what you seem to agree would be a good idea isn’t helpful. I know plenty of gun nuts that would absolutely drop the hate of the Republicans if they knew their hobby was secured. It’s easy to do simply because NOBODY IS ACTUALLY GOING TO COME FOR ANYBODY’S GUNS. Who’s going to do it, cops? The guys that love guns? The military? It’s just a lack of critical thinking and a little bit of reassurance might go a long way.
Show threadEnsign_CrabFeb 15, 2025

Why do you have to jump right to the extreme? If you’re looking for useful discourse, immediately shutting down what you seem to agree would be a good idea isn’t helpful. I know plenty of gun nuts that would absolutely drop the hate of the Republicans if they knew their hobby was secured.

I live in Texas. I’ve seen Democrats run on “Of course we’re not gonna take your guns!” And I’ve seen the response from gun nuts. They. Don’t. Buy. It. Republicans shriek “gun grabber!” even louder because it sticks even when it’s not true.

This is just moving to the right for the sake of moving to the right. It will gain nothing, and it will lose people for whom gun control is an actual issue.