there's a dad walking around campus getting his small kids to put up Linux Mint propaganda ???
@Gingeh raising them right 😤
@Gingeh buh just use arch linux if youre coming from windows
@max @Gingeh tbh this is what I did
@solonovamax @max @Gingeh yeah, since I've discovered Arch Linux my Linux problems just ended
@max @Gingeh this is terrible advice for those first coming to linux
@Gingeh Not all heroes wear capes 🦸

@Gingeh parent of the year

(of Linux on the desktop)

@dan @Gingeh genuine question here, and please ignore me if you don't want it. I've got two family members I'll be putting on Linux before the W10 deadline. I was planning Ubuntu because I'm familiar with it from work, should I look at Mint instead? Thanks if you're willing to answer, no worries if you're not keen.
@chopsstephens @dan @Gingeh it might honestly just be worth getting them to try out some distros in a VM and choose the one they like the most, OSFirstTimer style

@GroupNebula563 @chopsstephens @dan @Gingeh mint, in my opinion, cleans up Ubuntu and makes it better

It removes the snapd stuff I didn't like and other things

I'm guessing that eventually they might drop Ubuntu as it becomes more untenable to deal with snap.

Which is why they have been working on a Debian based version. I haven't checked that out yet to see if they cleaned that up to be a bit more friendly than straight debian

@chopsstephens either is good, though as far as I know Cinnamon is designed to be particularly Windows-like. And Mint is not connected to the Canonical corporate ecosystem like Ubuntu (which is why I chose it).
@chopsstephens @dan @Gingeh Mint is very similar to windows, so it's an easy transition. That's the main reason to consider it.
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@bhasic @chopsstephens @dan @Gingeh I'm not sure I trust that link to be impartial. And I think maybe it's not best for absolute linux newcomers.
@Haikyoneko @chopsstephens @dan @Gingeh With KDE it's very Windows-like and easy to use. It can be installed with Gnome or Xfce also.
@chopsstephens Mint is excellent for beginners, it's a fairly simple distro with a windows-like desktop environment. I've been a happy mint user on my main pc for years

@chopsstephens @dan @Gingeh

I normally do not recommend Linux Mint, but if the other option is Ubuntu, then absolutely go for Linux Mint.

Ubuntu is not an improvement over Windows. Same technical issues, same unethical kind of company, same disrespecting users. Ubuntu is not a free/open Linux system anymore, it's a proprietary product by a tech multimillionaire trying to lock you in.

@chopsstephens @dan @Gingeh both are similar, i would definitely take one of them because they have large communities which are newcomer friendly and there is lot to find about those. I've used both and liked both, Ubuntu is there more corporate bound one and also introduced features like the snap store which are really controversial as they don't follow the open source idea of the whole GNU+Linux Movement. Mint is the more open approach and its Cinnamon Desktop (which is the default dont worry) offers a more windows alike experience. I think for a windows user its the easier and more familiar experience. Both are great distributions are really similar and i like both, but in your case i would recommend Linux Mint
@chopsstephens @dan @Gingeh it's all pretty similar, but in my experience, older windows users had the easiest time with xubuntu (ubuntu with xfce-desktop). it's rock solid, and looks familiarly "old" 😅
@Gingeh My mother is in her 90s and needs a computer a few times a year. Other then that it's used by those of us visiting to print out travel documents and the odd letter.
Her computer had Windows 7 and was creaking.
Hard drive died. Got a cheap small SSD and installed Lubuntu on it as the machine is ancient.
Showed the main users it has Firefox for Internet and LibreOffice for writing.
Feedback was massively positive as everything is fast and just works.
@winkleink @Gingeh that's always been my impression with both Ubuntu and Mint: it just works!
Very kid and senior friendly.

@beatnikqueen @Gingeh

Inertia is a big thing.
My wife insisted on buying Microsoft Office even though her needs are more than covered by LibreOffice.

Coming from Windows to Linux Mint definitely makes it easier as one of it's goals is to help with the transition.

@winkleink @Gingeh habits are hard to change. A good 'selling' point for Libre Office is that you can set up every shortcut you want or are used to rather easily whereas MSOffice is always changing stuff around from version to version. So it can actually be easier to keep long honed habits on Libre!
@Gingeh imagine a bootable USB with it next to it as a "be taken" item
@Gingeh i am so tempted to do this ​
@Gingeh honestly, good for him :3
@Gingeh fake news it's known that printers do not work

@Gingeh

In my experience, Windows continues to push out (security?) updates long after their threatened cut-off date.

This has happened on both Windows XP and Windows 7.

I suspect that their lawyers won't let them stop basic patches.

It's kind of annoying actually, because you're thinking that finally you won't be interrupted by requests to update.

@Gingeh extremely good dad lmao hell yeah
@Gingeh It is called 'taking care of your community'. ;-)