What to use instead of gmail?
What to use instead of gmail?
Everything is better ;-)
i.e. mailbox.org, posteo.de; there are also protonmail and tuta.com, but they don’t have IMAP
I use mailbox.org, my 2 points for it were:
I suppose you mean IP in the allegorical sense in terms of ip filtering to email filtering.
Its an interesting thought!
I started doing this, maybe 15 years ago, but if I look through my spam folder now, most of it is to the email address I used before I began using unique addresses (the rest is to random addresses in my domains that I’ve never used).
My hypotheses from that are that
The basic steps are:
I’m not going to write a full tutorial so if it sounds interesting I suggest you do more research. The email hosting is typically focused at businesses as they are most likely to be wanting to host email on a custom domain.
I think the more punchline phrasing for it:
Fascist = wants to have control over you.
People on all social media really can’t seem to understand that the choices aren’t “everything has a perfect open source, non-profit utopia” and “fuck it, everyone is corrupt so it doesn’t matter what service you use.”
You are able to do what you can, where you can, to mitigate risks and try your best not to support fascists.
Then again, maybe people are just arguing in bad faith.
Well, the latest development I’ve seen is they’re deleting (censoring) comments calling out the political bias of their CEO on their post about how they’re fighting against censorship:
reddit.com/…/behind_the_scenes_of_proton_vpns_fig…
Here’s an evidenced account of part of what their CEO asserted:
This is what the CEO posting as u/Proton_Team stated in a response on r/ProtonMail:
Here is our official response, also available on the Mastodon post in the screenshot:
Corporate capture of Dems is real. In 2022, we campaigned extensively in the US for anti-trust legislation.
Two bills were ready, with bipartisan support. Chuck Schumer (who coincidently has two daughters working as big tech lobbyists) refused to bring the bills for a vote.
At a 2024 event covering antitrust remedies, out of all the invited senators, just a single one showed up - JD Vance.
By working on the front lines of many policy issues, we have seen the shift between Dems and Republicans over the past decade first hand.
Dems had a choice between the progressive wing (Bernie Sanders, etc), versus corporate Dems, but in the end money won and constituents lost.
Until corporate Dems are thrown out, the reality is that Republicans remain more likely to tackle Big Tech abuses.
Source: archive.ph/quYyb
To call out the important bits:
That was posted in ther/ProtonMail sub where the majority of the event took place: old.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/…/m7ahrlm/
However be aware that the CEO posting as u/Proton_Team kept editing his comments so I wouldn’t trust the current state of it. Plus the proton team/subreddit mods deleted a ton of discussion they didn’t like. Therefore this archive link captured the day after might show more but not all: web.archive.org/web/20250116060727/…/m7ahrlm/
Some statements were made on Mastodon but these are subsequently deleted, but they’re capture by an archive link: web.archive.org/web/…/113833073219145503
I learned about it from an r/privacy thread but true to their reputation the mods there also went on a deletion spree and removed the entire post: reddit.com/…/protonmail_supporting_the_party_that…
This archive link might show more but I’ve not checked: web.archive.org/…/protonmail_supporting_the_party…
There’s also this lemmy discussion from the day after but by that point the Proton team had fully kicked in their censorship so I don’t know how much people were aware of (apologies I don’t know how to make a generic lemmy link) feddit.uk/post/22741653
I was looking at moving to Proton as this all went down. Those plans are on hold.
After reading through it, I am having trouble figuring out how to read his comments because I wonder if there is some different cultural references or simplification going on between the Swis exec and American readers.
It was absolutely a stupid comment and was then the response was handed badly, but I don’t know that I read it as aligning with Fascism.
This is the best writeup I can find: archive.ph/…/does-proton-really-support-trump-a-d…
Yeah. I am not ready to move to Proton quite yet, but this doesn’t feel like it was intended the way many Americans are reading it. They also have posts like this (not from the an executive I think, but official) that don’t sound like getting in bed with the government: proton.me/blog/trump-controls-nsa-fbi
All that is to say, I am planning to give this a little longer and see what else happens, but I have not ruled out Proton yet.
Wait, you can search keywords on Lemmy?
I dunno, I mostly use Jerboa on Android, as far as I know Jerboa can only search for communities, unless I missed something or perhaps need to update Jerboa.
# Lemmy Apps Directory ### The following is a directory of current Lemmy apps. This list includes apps that have released in the last 6 months, or have been confirmed to be in active development, with the most recent at the top. You can find a list including older apps here [https://www.lemmyapps.com/] (unmaintained apps may have security or compatibility issues). The ![open source][1] symbol indicates that an app is FOSS. — ::: spoiler Android — |icon [https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/da420a93-2421-496f-be5b-804ffcacbab7.png?format=webp&thumbnail=48] | Connect | | | —: | :—: | —: | | | [email protected] [/c/[email protected]] | Play Store [https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kuroneko.lemmy_connect] | | 1.0.269 | 2025-05-13 |APKPure [https://apkpure.com/p/com.kuroneko.lemmy_connect] | A native application for browsing the social platform Lemmy and the Fediverse. Dev: @[email protected] [/u/[email protected]] — |icon [https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/9379e745-fc7d-4ce2-adcd-4c9080c8f225.png?format=webp&thumbnail=48] | Summit | ![open source][1] | | —: | :—: | —: | | Site [https://summit.idunnololz.com/] Source [https://github.com/idunnololz/summit] | [email protected] [/c/[email protected]] | Play Store [https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.idunnololz.summit] | | 1.61.3 | 2025-05-13 | | Summit is an app for Lemmy that enables you to explore hundreds of communities with ease. Summit is optimized for Android and offers a smooth browsing experience. Dev: @[email protected] [/u/[email protected]] — |icon [https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/d2e1ce0e-4bc8-48ba-8e8c-e0b6fcef159b.png?format=webp&thumbnail=48] | Voyager | ![open source][1] | | —: | :—: | —: | | Site [https://getvoyager.app/] Source [https://github.com/aeharding/voyager] | [email protected] [/c/[email protected]] | Play Store [https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=app.vger.voyager] | | 2.34.0 | 2025-05-02 |F-Droid [https://f-droid.org/en/packages/app.vger.voyager/] | Voyager is an Apollo-like open source web client for Lemmy. It’s a mobile-first app, but works great on desktop devices, too. Please feel free to try it out! 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Imap doesnt support 2fa.
IMAP protocol as well email clients do not support second factor authentication for the mailboxes. Even if they did, IMAP connections are made way too often which would make authentication unusable. Imagine needing to enter your TOTP token every few minutes. We could enable 2FA on the webmail, but IMAP/POP/SMTP accesses remain unprotected which beats the purpose. We are working on solution here which will allow sand-boxing a username/password pair to a webmail use only. We do offer so called App-specific passwords via mailbox identities though. These are commonly touted by email providers as 2FA. They are not.
two guys running email?
Is it? I can’t tell from the about me. It says “In 2014, two of us, Michael Bruderer and Dejan Strbac, started…”, but nothing else on the page talks about the size of the company. It started as two people, but is it currently two people? Anyone know?
no 2FA support
The webmail client does have 2FA, but when connecting via client there is no 2FA. Although, not sure what this would look like. Would you enter a TOTP every time you want to connect to the IMAP server? Or do you mean more like an OAuth2 flow, like Gmail, and that asks for your TOTP?