Alas Poor ErinaceusSince Andy Yen's unfortunate comments, have any of you left Proton? And if so, what alternative did you choose?
You know what would be really great? If Thunderbird actually had its own email service (@thunderbird.net) and not just a client. When they were switching K9 Mail over to Thunderbird mobile, it seemed like there might have been the slightest hint on their blog that they were at least considering it (or maybe I dreamed it). Might be a good source of income for Mozilla too…🤔
I’ve got Keepass for password manager and Mullvad for VPN, and both have worked out really well for me so far. What I haven’t been able to find is a good alternative to Proton Drive. For aliases I use Firefox Relay.
NuXCOM_90PercentI am still with proton since the owners being pricks doesn’t change the reasons why I like them for my email: They have made it clear what they will and won’t give to authorities and I can act accordingly.
That said, I did look into going mullivad+tuta but decided against it. Since tuta requires you to use their desktop client if you want an “offline” copy of their emails and that just seems like a mess when they inevitably do something shitty and I need to wait for “support” to get back to me for why I can’t download my emails and go elsewhere. Whereas I can just keep the bridge running and open thunderbird every week or two with proton.
rnerclecan you post their reply here on lemmy?
would be interesting to know what they have to say
I am currently still using their stuff since my husband and I just purchased a longer subscription as a bulk purchase, but we will not be renewing and I am actively researching alternatives for the VPN and emails.
The emails is the more difficult part for me, because everyone suggests hosting your own on your own domain, but to me that just seems like a great way to have any site you tie your email to to be directly linked to your house. Unless I am massively misunderstanding how that would work, in which case any resources would be greatly appreciated.
Mullvad VPN has worked well for me.
i was using both proton and tuta, now i privilege tuta.
I moved many people from google to proton, from now on people i convince will move to tuta.
you don’t move in a week, you decide to move and start modifying your @ on all the sites and offices that contact you through that address. One day, you realize that it’s been months since you last needed your older address and you delete.
I’m in pretty deep on the email side to the point where leaving would take days or weeks of effort. I’m not above making that effort if I think it’s necessary though. I do not yet think it’s necessary.
I did just start using my second Proton product, Standard Notes, around two months ago. I’m not honestly sure if I’ll renew it when it expires - we’ll see how the year goes. I honestly have very little expectation that Proton is enshittifying or turning evil. I’ll be very surprised if it becomes a recurring pattern for them.
paequ2Standard Notes
Is Standard Notes owned/made by Proton??
It’s owned by, but not made by - they acquired it at some point. I don’t think they’ve really done much to it since acquisition but I assume they have things planned, because otherwise why buy it?
OberynUnfortunately stuck with them for VPN (don’t use any other service from them) . Lꝏking for alternatives with port forwarding . Welcome to hear suggestions
I’ve been using AirVPN for the past few years and don’t have any complaints.
It is around $5/mo and offers port forwarding.
I’m moving to Tuta, and bought some domains to use as custom domains. Accidentally clicked yearly instead of monthly in Tuta (cuz I don’t want such a long commitment yet), and it doesn’t let me change it to monthly, so I have to message support and ask them to change it back to monthly, 24 hours has passed and still waiting for a response… Proton usually responds within 24 hours… 🤷♂️
Edit: In like 12 hours, it’d be 48 hours… so… 👀
I sent another email to make sure it went through.
If their response takes longer than like a week, I’m gonna have to look for something else…
I think leaving would be an over reaction.
stinermanThey did do some damage control. But it was a pretty terrible thing for the CEO to say.
honesty seems like a overreaction, if proton’s goals and actions don’t change I’m fine with staying (even if I disagree with trump). it’s one person on the board not the entire company as well. however I have considered leaving proton due to bad linux support and no de-googled notifications. afaia proton is the cheapest for what I use it for (vpn+mail+email aliasing+drive (barely using it due to no Linux client)), please tell me if I’m wrong. protonvpn has port fowarding support which I use to host servers sometimes.
As a Linux person, I, too, am somewhat tired of being treated like a second-class user. Having no Linux client for Drive is a real pain.
This is the single-most annoying thing with Proton for me. Give us a Linux client for drive already… 😭
Supposedly rclone can work with Proton Drive, but for me at least, it seemed way too complicated to set up.
Cancelled auto-renew. I have a year and half to find alternatives. I’ll not support this company anymore.
Me too. I can’t find a good alternative that I like and trust, though.
I’ve tried Tuta Nota in the past, but it was too clunky.
I also left my plan, even refunded the amount, since my renewal was set on January 1st.
Main reason I used Proton was their VPN, especially their wide range of servers and countries helped me. But now I don’t need that many individual country servers anymore, so I settled to Mullvad, mainly because their prices are very competitive and they are considered “trusted” (even though I kinda miss port forwarding, I’d rather not have it, than trust in AirVPN or other smaller services).
I used their mail for a little while, so migration was rather simple. I currently test out Posteo, when I am happy with them, I might stick to them.
Same with Drive, I didn’t use them, mainly because they do not have proper Linux support (no, rclone isn’t sufficient).
Thankfully I didn’t use them as my password manager (and definitely not as a crypto wallet service) :D
Port forwarding or nothing for me. Do you just… Go without now?
Sips'I pulled the trigger and decided to leave. Not only because of the recent actions from Proton, but when I started looking for alternatives I quickly realized how deeply integrated I was into their eco system and how difficult it was to make the switch. That’s personally not something I like. I guess this goes back to the saying, ‘Don’t put all your eggs in one basket’.
I’m now a happy customer of:
- Mullvad for VPN
- Bitwarden as password manager
- Fastmail for email
- Ente for photos
- Yet to decide on cloud storage for files.
I know fastmail isn’t the perfect privacy option but works very well for me. They own all their own hardware and use encryption at rest. They help develop open standards such as Jmap to replace imap. . This, to me says a lot about the people behind the company and is something I appreciate.
For those looking for a more private email solution then Tuta is a great option too!
Best of luck out there folks 👍
Unless you’re somehow looking for tonnes of storage, I don’t think you need cloud services. I’ve set up just my 3 devices (phone laptop PC) to sync with each other using Syncthing. And that’s plenty of space for just personal stuff (including photos). And it’s so cheap (only the cost of the devices you’re already using, and no subscriptions). It’s something I wish most people did because of how prevalent Drive has become, even though it doesn’t seem like it’s necessary for a lot of use cases. You’re situation might be different though, just a suggestion.
Well Sync is not a backup, but I get what you mean. On top of that I do have my own Nas 😅 so using that with at least another separate offline ssd should be good enough.
I don’t think you need cloud services
I have 1TB of Tresorit in case my house burns down.
What does that cost you a month/year?
I still use protonmail since it’s hard to move mail instances after giving so many people my address but I’ve reconsidered my plans to switch to their vpn or paid plans.
setVeryLoud(true);Set your emails up with your own domain name. Never have this problem again.
rootThis. I left proton and took my 300+ aliases with me. Took less than 30 min to switch from Simple Login to Addy
Which email host did you switch to? Looking for something hosted in Canada, ideally.
jokeyrhymeI’d moved from Bitwarden to Proton Pass only 6 months ago, so moving back wasn’t too much of a difficult choice (both services have great import/export and Bitwarden even offers self-hosting)
I’d just go Keepass. Password managers don’t need cloud to work. And Bitwarden could go rogue too.
There are a few alternatives in mind for me. Mailbox, posteo, disroot. Disroot is the only one among these with a free email. But posteo and mailbox do have cheap tiers. Posteo doesn’t have support for custom domains last I checked.
That’s just email. I’ve already not been using proton for almost everything else. KeepassXC for passwords, Addy.io for aliases, Syncthing and offline storage across my 3 devices instead of any Drive. VPN I rarely use so free proton is enough for that. Mullvad exists on the off chance I need it for a while (it’s a constant price per month how many ever months you choose, and you can just “top up” with some amount and it will last you the appropriate number of days).
Mailbox and Posteo doesn’t have their app in F-Droid 🤔
I know Tuta has, and just looked up Disroot, they also have…
I was hard considering it but if I do it then it would cost me way more.
Tuta ($3)+Simplelogin ($4)+Mullvad ($5) = $12
A proton unlimited plan costs $10. Also, when I was on a vpn plus plan, they upgraded me to unlimited so I’m only paying like $6.50 or something.
Simplelogin is owned by Proton. If you meant Addy.io that’s $1/mo or $3/mo. Personally I don’t think Addy.io is strictly necessary with Tuta though. Just add a custom domain and make up your own aliases (or some password managers can generate & save them for you)
I used simplelogin before they got bought by proton and with it now being included in my subscription, it’s even cheaper. I could move to addy.io but that would mean I would have to go through all my accounts and change it to the new addy.io addresses. Huge PitA. I could use my own domain but I don’t wanna blacklist my own domain or for it to be so new that it’s blocked from signing up accounts.