UltraHamster64Jan 31, 2025

[Off-Topic] Should we purge doomers?

https://lemmy.world/post/24951050

[Off-Topic] Should we purge doomers? - Lemmy.World

Hi everyone! As a mod, I started getting some reports on people commenting doomer stuff under posts. They’re not really great, they’re demotivating and most importantly not really fit this communities vibe. I’m not fond of them, but I can’t go removing comments and banning people left and right, because technically, they not breaking any rules. So I feel that the community discussion is in order. If we going to implement a rule against doomers, I think it is very important to define the rule clearly, for it not to be to broad. So I propose the phrasing “blatant doomerism”. Here are examples: - Blatant doomerism\doomer trolling (comment gets removed, user banned if spams to many comments like this): [https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/bfdbd125-59d8-4ce3-a2e2-2be24194f6b4.png] [https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/e44d0459-ea49-4e4a-a305-ac14dcb12f8b.png] - adequate discussion with some doomerism (nothing gets to be done by mods, discussion in the comments goes as usual) [https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/0420533b-9158-4e42-9822-24370909af00.png] [https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/22c29686-21bc-4926-adda-3df24554481e.png] [https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/08a5df03-1f06-46c1-b47b-85afdeb4df7f.png] So, the discussion is welcome. If I missed anything, or even if it’s not needed and there should be no change to the rule set, or you have anything to add, feel free to comment.

Show threadclickyelloJan 31, 2025

I think it needs to be defined with more specificity than “blatant doomerism”, both to make it more clear when to enforce rather than “I know it when I see it” and also to prevent unfair bans to people talking about something that’s a bummer in good faith.

I don’t think an environment of toxic positivity is healthy and I fear such a broad definition could foster one, i.e. “oh I can’t say that or I might get banned”

on the whole though I like the idea of an additional rule added of the sort. it doesn’t seem like the person(s) in the examples given was saying anything in good faith.

I also think the punishment should give a lot of grace, like first a warning and comment removal before any ban.

Show threadverity_kindle
Why hang out in hopeposting, of all places, with concerns about “toxic positivity”?
Jan 31, 2025 at 3:00pmWeb
Show threadclickyelloJan 31, 2025

from this link.

“Imagine for a moment that you could truly embody the “good vibes only” mantra. No single negative thought is allowed to enter your mind and you are feeling nothing but bliss – sounds pretty great right? And then, you hear about your dog getting sick and… you feel nothing but happiness? Or perhaps, you hear of the passing of a loved one, or read about a tragedy occurring in the world. These are just a few examples where “good vibes only” starts to feel unproductive and unhelpful.”

further reading if you’re interested.

TL;DR: if you ignore the reality of upsetting things in favor of good vibes, it’s not hope it’s gaslighting. hope comes from acknowledging upsetting things and keeping a positive mindset despite them.

Toxic Positivity

Toxic positivity has become increasingly popular in news media since 2020. Toxic Positivity occurs when encouraging statements are expected to minimize or eliminate painful emotions, creating pressure to be unrealistically optimistic without considering the circumstances of the situation.