They're rare, but they're unfortunately here

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They're rare, but they're unfortunately here - Lemmy.World

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Tankies are right wing. Watch them make excuses for Russia and say NATO should pull out of Ukraine. Watch them say a Trump presidency is better than the alternative.

Tankies are factually left-wing. Their actions, however, sometimes play into the deck of right-wingers when they try to fuck around with the system.
Stalin criminalised homosexuality with a punishment of five years prison labour. Go ahead and repeat that fact on Hexbear, and see how many “radical leftists” are willing to make excuses for a homophobe

Stalin is a conflicting historical figure, who is neither a monster nor a savior, and so the way you describe him would differ depending on the angle of the conversation.

If the talking point is the rights of the LGBT+ people (or, really, people’s rights overall sometimes), there’s no excuse for him there, and I’m pretty sure Hexbear is not quite the place for a homophobic rhetoric.

But they may point out in other terms that under Stalin’s rule the economy got insanely boosted, the WW2 was won, and many megaprojects used to this day were constructed.

Replace Stalin with Hitler and you understand how insane you sound. (Oh and ditch the part about winning ww2)

Hitler took an already established economy and rearranged it towards national capital while killing Jews en masse and initiating a World War.

Not quite comparable.

Stalin took an already establishing economy and rearranged it towards national capital while killing Jews en masse and allied with Nazi’s.

Already establishing? What does that even mean, lol

Stalin also didn’t promote national capital - aside from the fact the word “capital” does not reflect quite the same thing in the context of socialism, the policy of “socialism in a separate country” is nothing more than a reaction to the failure of world revolution. He continued international partnerships with socialist countries and participated in The Communist International.

Soviet Union did not genocide Jews and was not tied to Holocaust. The alliance with Nazis only held through the first stage of WWII as long as it was seen more as a contained European issue. It is true, however, that Soviet Union participated in occupation of Poland.

It means the USSR was already industrializing – and Stalin made sure that process would be (1) tightly controlled by the state & (2) would benefit primarily the imperial core of Russia.

If you think capital does not bear relevance to the development of the USSR, you have not understood Leninism.

The USSR killed Jews en masse, mostly as elements of a ‘cosmopolitan bourgeoisie’ (clear antisemitic dogwhistle) or simply as Jews. He also directed his cabinet to collaborate with the Nazi’s in their holocaust, firing Litvinov as FM and installing Molotov with clear instructions to comply with the Nazi’s. Heck, even Khrushchev admitted that Stalin died on the cusp of engineering a holocaust of his own. I will refrain on commenting how he treated other minorities.