The Picard ManeuverJust got his driver's license!
š° š š± š¦ š³ š¦ š° š® šThere must be some rule of film that forbids 13-19 year olds being on camera. Young children are played by actual children. Elderly people are played by the elderly. But teenagers are almost always someone between 20 and 30 and not an actual teenager. Whatās up with that?
qazPerhaps something related to child labour laws making it more complicated to hire minors?
Or teenagers give a fuck on being a movie star.
Unless theyāre children?
[deleted] in lemmyShorter days for the kids also increases the cost of making a movie and makes crunch time harder too.
There are certainly incentives for using young adults in place of teenagers.
Iād bet thereās a āsweet spotā for age where the average person watching a movie can mentally overlook the adult in a teen role, while children and elderly canāt be portrayed by a different age without it being a deliberate effect choice or farcical (though when I was learning makeup effects, I saw a ~25 year old turned convincingly into a 60+ person). Maybe it has to do with ease of an adult actor compared to a teen, or maybe itās because there are just more of the āyoungā adult actors in the pool than readily accessible teenage actors. Maybe the hiring team wants to ensure they have someone who can act without being taught during the production, and the slightly older actors have more proven track records?
As an example of the makeup to age someone: The actor that played āMr. Sixā in the 6 Flags commercials in the US was actually 29.
I remember a coworker saying, āIāve heard rumors heās not that oldā¦ā Yeah, no kidding, Angela.
(Also, while researching this comment, I came across the fact that Dan Snyder, prior owner of the team that is now the Washington Commanders, is the guy that killed that wildly popular series of commercials. Another example of his bad instincts, and demonstrating that he should leave things to the experts. Many people remember Mr. 6, but practically no one remembers the 6 Flags commercials that followed.)
Original Six Flags Mr. Six It's Playtime TV Commercial 2004
The labor laws for children (<18) in film are brutal. As they should be.
You assume they follow the law
Thatās exactly where it would be followed.
When they get caught, sureā¦then they partly their lobby fees and it gets sweeped under the rug. These mega corps donāt play by our rules, they have no rules.
Thatās what unions are for, which are very strong in the movie business.
Sigh. This is exactly where itās easily monitored (part of the regulation Iām pretty sure), observable, and thus enforceable.
bdonvrUnions are very, very strong in that industry. The regs are followed.
Big exception being animators :')
candyman337Not to mention you donāt want underage actors in explicit scenes. So with shows like euphoria is kind of impossible to use people actually that age
Sometimes extras have to be kids, so filming can stretch out a few days.
Knowing thereās kids on set can actually be nice, because you know thereās only so long they can shoot for, instead of stretching a Friday night out indefinitely. Especially if itās a director like Fincher who is known for doing a lot of takes.
Dharma Curious (he/him)Acted as a kid, mainly in locals and some true crime shows for New Dominion Pictures, back before the true crime mania.
This one lady who was on a lot of the same projects I was on called me āher little guaranteeā meaning she got to get home to her kids at reasonable hours because I was on set. Lol
In my experience, when possible they just shoot the stuff with the kids first then pivot to scenes without them to finish out the day. Not always the case though!
Yeah, theyāll front load the kid stuff if they can for sure. Or just stagger call times.
Usually when they were creating a hard out time you were already in the weeds as it was. Getting home late, but not as late as it would be.
Thereās often an āafter-hoursā shoot for scenes without kids or even specific camera angles from a scene where the child actors arenāt necessary.
The D Quuuuuillzits, probably
Bo Burnhamās āEighth Gradeā features a 13-year-old playing a 13-year-old. He said he wanted to capture the natural awkwardness and self-consciousness that we all experienced at that age.
Thereās a handful of movies where it totally works. The kids in Stand By Me were all the right age and Rob Reiner got incredible performances out of them. It might be a little bit harder, but it can be done.
Great point and excellent movie. Come to think of it, it was very common through the 80ās. The Sandlot, The Goonies, The Lost Boysā¦any Cory movies lol
Speaking of King movies, the kids in IT knocked it out the park. Kingās great at taking you back to your childhood. āYep, thatās exactly how we thought, talked and acted.ā Sometimes though, his child characters are a bit ahead of their age.
Something that a lot of replies are missing is how quickly and dramatically we change appearance at that age. Imagine if filming runs over a year and the 14-year-old you hired is now a foot taller and the shape of his face changed through puberty. Sure, little kids grow fast, but features donāt change nearly as much, especially for boys in their teens.
Thatās what happened to Walt in Lost. The actor had a growth spurts and couldnāt play a 10 years old anymore and they just written his character out.
Directors simply like to work with adult actors more than to deal with teenagers.
Younger actors have less experience.
Teenagers are legally required to take longer breaks and canāt work into the night.
And if youāre planning on a sequel or a series, you have no idea what your actor will look like in 2-3 years.
Younger actors have less experience.
Teenagers are legally required to take longer breaks and canāt work into the night.
And if youāre planning on a sequel or a series, you have no idea what your actor will look like in 2-3 years.
Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz is supposed to be 12 years old.
Oz plays weird tricks on Dorothy, her age is all over depending on who is talking about her. Iām pretty sure the book has her at 11 the first time she visited Oz
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Thatās what you get for smoking as a teenager.
21CabbageWas gonna say, even if you werenāt downing at least a pack a day yourself thereās nobody around you who isnāt.
Michael Tucci, born in '46. He was 32 here.
jballsGot that stereotypical leather skin boomers got from growing up with smoking indoors and no sunscreen.
Jo MiranSometime the reverse is true.
Keira Knightley had just turned 18 when she filmed Love Actually (2003). She played a newlywed woman in her mid to late twenties. Her famous āfloppy hatā was used because she had a giant teenager zit on her forehead.
Sometimes the casting is dead on.
Mariel Hemingway was 16 when she played the 17 year old love interest to Woody Allenās 44 year old man in Manhattan.
I think, in movies, a big driver in casting is trying to guide the audience. Had they cast actual teenagers in Grease, the audience would have been scandalized by the subject matter rather than focus on the comedy and music. Thatās why they cast a teen to play a teen in Manhattan. The entire thing is meant to feel off and uncomfortable, which would not have been apparent had they cast a woman in her mid twenties. They cast a teen Keira Knightley because they needed the audience to instantly understand why the character had a crush on her. Whether we like to admit it or not, our monkey brains register teen women simultaneously as angelic/pure and āpeak breeding materialā (yes, itās yuck when put that way).
Movie magic is built on multiple layers of subconscious manipulation.
Even with the casting choices, Iām flabbergasted that Grease became a cult classic. As far as I can tell the overall message of the film is: āif a woman wants to keep her man, she must act like a dirty slut.ā
To be fair, people donāt really watch musicals for their plots.
Thatās only true of badly (or barely) written musicals like Cats.
Great musicals like Les Miserables or Hedwig and the Angry Inch have plots as good as the songs or, in the latter case, even better!
Didnāt Travoltaās Greaser character turn clean-cut in order to be with her? I always thought the point was that they originally liked each other for who they were, without pretense but society was forcing them to conform to standards and pigeonhole them.
Or maybe it was all about the dancing and singing and we are trying to get too deep into it.
Yea and that ādid she put up a fightā line in Summer Nights always creeped me out
tetris11very related: lemmy.ml/post/24852141/16134297
All true! And they cast older guys to give the character gravitas.
Odd question: thereās an IT Crowd joke about Keira Knightly being in a movie where she was stabbed in the face, is that based off reality?
Boomer Humor DoomergodI was able to grow a full beard in 10th grade so this isnāt that unrealistic.
Yeah, but you got held back 4 times.
Do you like getting held back? ą² ā ā”ā ą²
One of my classmates started having a receding hairline when he was 15. He was always able to buy alcohol (the age is 19 in Ontario).
Guy at a school I went to was full bald by 18. Just the ring left, top completely gone and smooth. But no facial hair. Looked like a 40 yr old engineer at NASA.
HipsterTenZeroJust like my boy Jotaro Kujo
Thatās just Japan being Japan. Every JRPG ever āāHeās a grissled war veteran that lost a civil war in his country and then fought in the war for our county, betrayed by his brother and framed as a traitor heās long been forgotten by everyone rotting away in an isolated prison cellāā Blood Type A, age 19.
Oh and he lives alone and his apartment is massive and overlooks the waterfront, which is somehow in downtown Tokyo
BlueFootedPeteySo is the dude next him. Neither are passible.
Lol, that dude is John Travolta
NickwithaCYes, thatās the point.
He was 24 when Grease was made.
The guy next to him is Michael Tucci, who was 32 at the time.
Luke Perry at the beginning of 90210 was the same age as Travolta. Then later on the same age is Tucci in the same series.
Itās because we associate appearances of older generations as older, even when they pass as kids at the time
You can find kids saying the same thing about 90s movies even when they look like high schoolers did