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IlovethebombKinda ironic considering how many people on here are completely unable to spot satire.
Although Facebook is definitely worse for the amount of idiotic comments being made.
Lord WiggleI kinda get it, but I also understand why it happens. People are outraged by how the world is being fucked up and they speak out. It’s resistance to Idiocracy. They may be feeding trolls but saying nothing is ignorant compliance. So claiming it’s their fault feels like victim blaming. Also, the amount of neuro diverse people is also growing. They, we, often don’t understand sarcasm and trolling and take too much seriously. And are triggered by things meant to be a joke.
It’s funny how I reply seriously on this post. It’s like I’m inviting trolls to take me hard. I say: bring it! I brought lube.
miss_demeanourExactly.
Hurt fee-fees and subsequent down doots are bedrocks of lemmy.
I find it’s less common to find insistent users who refuse to read provided sources, or provide sources of their own, on Lemmy than on Facebook. It happens, but far less frequently than when I last used Facebook in 2015. Although my perspective may have been unique to my curated feed.
explodicleThe flip side of that is people who think sources can support an illogical argument. Sources: think tank think tank WaPo.
grrgyleI think the smaller communities helps with giving eachother the benefit of the doubt. Like if I’m disagreeing with someone from my own insurance, or another small one I know is generally cool, I’ll try much harder to figure out what their point is.
There’s a fine line between satire and being an idiot but on purpose.
I kinda get it, but I also understand why it happens. People are outraged by how the world is being fucked up and they speak out. It’s resistance to Idiocracy. They may be feeding trolls but saying nothing is ignorant compliance. So claiming it’s their fault feels like victim blaming. Also, the amount of neuro diverse people is also growing. They, we, often don’t understand sarcasm and trolling and take too much seriously. And are triggered by things meant to be a joke.
It’s funny how I reply seriously on this post. It’s like I’m inviting trolls to take me hard. I say: bring it! I brought lube.
TrickDacyIt is definitely victim blaming. Op thinks no one will notice what they are doing.
pelespiritThere was a study done (can’t find it anymore) that said to respond once to clarify and then walk away.
I wish I would be able to do that, but that goes entirely against my autism.
Yes, that’s why social media should I.) allow downvoting, ii.) use an algorithm that reduces the prominence of downvoted posts and iii.) actively remove bot accounts that attempt to game the voting system. Most social media do none of these things, and in fact push controversial takes.
Except it’s not their fault. At least, not entirely. Every single fucking centralized social platform tweaks its content algorithm to drive engagement, and they found that the best way was to piss you off. They shove it in your face until you can’t help but say something to fight the unending flow of utter bullshit.
Sounds like a lack of emotional maturity.
More like an intense study of how best to exploit human nature for financial gain.
I was doing the thing you were talking about…
…being fed a manipulative stream of content to piss you off?
Yes!
Ultimately it becomes troll v troll until either trolls out leaving each troll believing they’ve out-trolled the troll.
Alot of these places are just a spot were bots and racists can argue with each other. If only it were a capsule that we could shoot into the sun.
Gutek8134Imagine that there’s a paving slab that sticks out right outside of your house, often causing you to fall. If that’s the 50th time you fall over due to this thing, you probably will curse at it, no matter how emotionally mature you are.
Now exchange falling over to being trolled.
B-B-But are you engaging, or are you trolling?
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…Yes?
Block them or move to another platform. I block everyone on Facebook who feels the need to make negative comments, regardless of whether I expect to encounter them again. Really cleans up the place.
Deleting my Facebook account cleaned it up better for me.
Fair enough xD
ClinicallydepressedpoochieThat reminds me. My autistic brother in law deleted his Facebook and asked my wife if she would delete hers. She mods a small community she like being a part of so I can’t blame her for not but I got permission to trash mine. Cya Facebook.
You needed permission to delete your Facebook?
Sorry, I am really submissive. That’s my deal.
BeardedBlazeYou ok?
Noooo, save me. oWo
Zos_KiaI have to keep my LinkedIn for business reasons but recently I noticed a big uptick in fascist-adjacent posting. At first it depressed me big time but then I started blocking and a couple weeks and dozen blocks later it was over. Turns out a small number of people can really give the impression of a crowd and fuck with the whole experience.
That’s true, though the simple solution is to not be on such platforms. You do not have to let them “shove it in your face until you can’t help it”.
Yet are we not on Lemmy, flooded with posts detailling every little thing that Musk and Trump do?
Sort of true, but the algorithm that Reddit-like platforms uses is transparent and simple (it’s just based on likes and dislikes, and I think you can even look up the source for the sorting modes) and hence doesn’t directly try to feed you content that’d enrage you. I can just not read the posts about Musk and Trump, since I find most takes on the former bad and don’t care much about the latter. Meanwhile, on platforms like Twitter or Tiktok you are directly fed content out of some recommendation ML model trained on user engagement.
(There’s also subtler differences. For example, on Reddit/Lemmy/etc, if you hate a post you can dislike it, which will generally make it show up less to people. But on, say, Tumblr, not only are there no dislikes, but if you are really hate a post you can only respond to it by reposting it, therefore spreading it further among your followers! That’s an absolutely devious platform-design move that could have been invented directly by Satan himself.)
Agreed. On most social media websites the sorting algorithm is equivalent to sorting Lemmy/Reddit on controversial. Still I do think there are active parties on Reddit pushing rage bait, and it’s a problem that Hot instead of Best is the standard sorting algorithm on Reddit.
all hail keyword filter blockers! nowadays i only see trumpet/muskat in posts that don’t mention their names in the title, and tbf i don’t mind staying a little informed on their latest pro-dystopia moves, but now it’s not as much a firehose of bullshit to my face every day all day, but an occasional squirt gun hit
I have the same filters on. It does not lessen the fact that lemmy is obsessed with those two juggaloos.
I believe that, their plan has always been to saturate the news so that people talked about them, always. So when time comes to vote, you go for the candidate you think you know best, a.k.a the one you didn’t stop hearing about.
That, and the fact that people are saturated with your shenanigans, to the point that you can do anything stupid without people caring.
ryannathansNot here and you’re still mad bro
MudManThis happens on decentralized social media, too. Fedi dwellers are all so convinced that the trolls wouldn't have happened without intervention and man, is that not true.
Don't get me wrong, the corpos used that dynamic for profit, but they didn't invent it. Having been there before the algorithm, old forums, IRC and other protosocial spaces had very plump trolls, and so do federated, decentralized spaces when they reach critical mass.
The trolls definitely exist here, too, for sure. But my point was that centralized social media algorithmically pushes it on you. Facebook, for example, goes out of its way to find ragebait to show you, whereas here, the trolls have to post somewhere you’re intentionally subscribed.
No arugment there. I'm not questioning that corpos make the issue deliberately worse as an engagement engine. That's a fact.
But a lot of people jump from there to assuming those patterns will just vanish without algorithmic intervention, and that's just not true, which can lead to a lot of disappointment when people move to other alternatives.
Even back then, the largest a forum became the less likely it was for trolls to starve in it. What we’re seeing is just the continuation of that.
This is a good point.
I think “old internet” culture was unsustainable as it scaled up, even without algos fanning the flames.
Oh come on, don’t feed this troll…
Lol yeah that’s what I was thinking. This is one of those posts where op thinks no one will notice they are trying to prove a point.
The reason it was the mantra back then was because there was always at least a few new people and people who were just kind of dull that simply didn’t get it and needed such a thing constantly repeated
Like the mtg and bobert types. Like don’t you fucking say 9/11 don’t you fucking say Jewish space laser.
adam_yI think the default comment, even here, is “I disagree”.
Folk have mistaken contraryism for discourse and argument for engagement.
Agreed. There are plenty of negative replies, but I sometimes feel the positive replies – like giving thanks – could be something more people could do.
You’re doing it wrong.
Don’t tell me what to do you… You jerkface! Yeah! How do you like that!?
I know that was devastating. You’re devastated right now. Sorry.
That was perfect!
hell yeah! i’ve been trying to embrace that IRL too, telling people when i’m enjoying my time with them, telling them when they have a great outfit, appreciating my friends, expressing gratitude for their friendship, even, though this is the hardest one, admitting when i’m wrong outloud
XtallllI disagree!
No you don’t.
I disagree!
Ackshully that’s called cyber bullying now
Its not my fault everyone supports genocide.