infinite_assTotalitarians, fascists and other scary governments prosecute you without telling you what you did, and everybody agrees that this is an evil practice. But now it's normal and accepted on social media
I’m sorry. Being enslaved, jailed, or executed for no reason is NOTHING like getting your comment deleted without a detailed explanation.
If you’re feeling oppressed by other people not reading whatever thoughts pop in your head, it might be time to go touch grass, or snow, depending on what’s available in your area right now.
Actually, censorship is the #1 form of prosecution for scary governments.
BjörnReally hard to avoid Godwin’s law in this thread.
Do you mean Poe’s Law?
In what court are you being prosecuted? State, federal? What laws are you accused of breaking?
OP is confusing “prosecution” with “persecution”, thus making this whole thread impenetrable
They know, they are just giving him a hard time lol
Such petty sniveling games are the bedrock upon which our magnificent culture is founded.
Right, because knowing proper vocabulary is a “mind game”.
Lol
People don't understand that a lot of interactions are driven by corpos paying PR shops to drive desired narratives.
The "modding" everyone complains about is censorship to suppress unfavourable facts. The mods ain't power tripping, their doing their jobs as expected by the handlers.
So it’s just efficient? Ok.
Explaining your actions may be the right thing to do but right is not the point. Control is the point.
And 99% of the people here never say anything deviant enough to get censored over anyway. So what’s a few edge cases.
That’s kinda cynical.
It definitely shows that the power structures have their hands in any relevant social media discussion. I would posit that mods pay critical role with that system.
Most recent example is modding we get on main subs re Luigi... Some how censorship on fedi was stronger than reddit, at least week post the denial of life.
The pattern of behaviour is is the same. Tjere is a topic, it need to be discussed a certain way, people generally small minorities will say wrong thing, they get removed. Narrative holds up.
With Luigi public sentiment was so strong that they could not suppress the genuine public opinion hence why reddit didn't even try for the first week.
Here we had mods argue all sorts of weird shit and none of it really landed. The rules are vague enough to remove any wrong think they need.
Mod logs will show a pattern of behaviour.
Israeli genocide in Gaza is another topic where mods shill regime narratives.
But theh don't do over everything, you can do culture war circle jerk all you want.
Also, mods are no uniform bit mods for each sub have their specific narrative and they will never accept discussions that would undermine it.
You can criticize Israel but only in sanctioned way.
Another example is kamala prez campaign... No discussion, either you shill her or you are removed.
And fedi ain't even a speck on social media land scape but we sure got a full blown gestapo field office to heard 50k monthly users lol
So decency is out the window. We are just participants in our own mindfuckery.
I guess we need to find the “most free” Lemmy instance. Are there reviews?
Good discussions happen in the meme subs which is kinda ironic.
But anything of high traffic will attract bad faith actors for "modding"
Fedi itself is pretty resilient since it is decentralized, so at worst it is a sub ban or instance ban on ml for disrespectimg she-pooh
Also there other reasons why mods could make their discussions clearly but there is definitely pattern of behavior.
Good discussions happen in the meme subs which is kinda ironic.
I’ve noticed that too. It’s like a forest fire (high popularity, enshittification?) went through there and now healthy stuff grows. Probably a cyclic thing.
What we need is truly niche subs. Which by definition must be hard to access.
NONEYou’re talking about Banning or Canceling?. Either way, is wild to compare prosecution with any of those things.
Actually, censorship is the #1 form of prosecution for scary governments.
Sorry, I sometimes forget who I’m talking to.
“Scary Governments”
Fella, go outside, breath fresh air, eat something you like and please get over that banning you receive some time ago.
You’re starting to sound like a 12 year old.
Maybe. But in the meantime let’s discuss my point.
You aren’t being “censored”, and you don’t have a point. You can spout whatever shitty point of view got you banned on the street with a sign if you want, nobody will stop you.
Actually, when they remove your post, that’s literal censorship. Look it up.
It is suppression or prohibition of speech. As I already said, you’re free to say whatever you want, so you are not being censored. When you go outside to touch grass, as has been suggested, then you can practice saying whatever you want to whomever you see!
If you think privately hosted websites are obligated to host whatever garbage the worst of the Internet can create, because deleting anything ever is “censorship”, then you are wrong. Imagine being so entitled!
When your post is removed, that’s literally suppression of speech. Therefore it falls under the term “censorship”. I feel pedantic to drive that into the ground like this. But how is this not clear?
It’s literally not.
If you come into my house and say something I don’t approve of, I can kick your ass out.
If Facebook or Reddit doesn’t like it, they can kick you out.
If a Lemmy mood doesn’t like it, they can kick you out.
Make your own site and say whatever you want IN YOUR OWN HOUSE nobody can stop you.
If it’s not worth making your own site, then you are more concerned with being heard than being censored.
Seeing as how this is a conversation involving us, doesn’t that make it “our house”? I mean without us, the whole point of the “house” ceases to exist.
Think about that.
But back to my actual point. Please.
RhaedasIn a federated social media you can literally either find a group instance with a similar mindset as you that will let you post whatever it is you feel is being censored, or you can set up your own instance and be totally free to post it. That post and/or your instance might get blocked by others, but you have full freedom to put it there to be blocked. If you think people have to read what you say without the option to not read more, then that's a different thing altogether and you might rethink your points. It's a form of "if everyone is an asshole..."
(Does anybody actually read the post anymore?)
I addressed the act of prosecution without explanation. To remove a post without telling the person why they removed it. To tell them what rule was broken, or spirit contradicted, or even views offended. Anything!
But to just remove a post without conversation. That’s just crappy. And everybody agrees that it’s damn crappy. But it’s considered normal now. Which is crazy.
That’s what I want to discuss.
What? No. You can’t just walk in, say some dumb shit and decide that it’s your house.
That’s nonsense.
Your original point was the equivalent of “Stepping on Legos is literally the same as land mines, amiright?”
No, it’s not, and you’re not a victim.
My original point was the indecency of prosecution without explanation, actually.
You were not prosecuted.
Was I persecuted?
It’s a weighty point that I am discussing elsewhere.
You were not persecuted.
If it makes you happy to call it that, then fine. But comparing that to government actually suppressing your speech is childish and lacking any nuance or common sense.
Come on. It literally fits the definition.
But instead of wallowing in semantic quibbles, let’s address my actual point.
I already addressed it. You can say what you want, and private websites have no argument to host literally anything that you want to say.
Why don’t you try addressing my actual point this time instead of quibbling on semantics. I already granted that you can call it censorship, but that does not equate with what is meant when people discuss government censorship.
My point was the indecency of prosecution without explanation.
It’s impractical too, to boot somebody without telling them why, as somebody else in this thread pointed out.
Another person in this thread suggested that such discussions are wasted effort. That such discussion, and the healthy society it engenders, is not the aim if those in control. Who are the mods’ bosses. That they simply want max control for min cost.
Using inflammatory language as a way to make your point seem more valid is just manipulative, and betrays the general lack of a point that you have.
You were not “prosecuted”, and I’ll be generous and assume you meant “persecuted”, which again is such an inappropriate use of that word given the mildness of the indecency you experienced.
Is it a dick move to ban without explanation? Yes. Most sites don’t do that though, so I assume you have some very specific grievance that prompted this.
You weren’t banned from the world, and there are many instances in the fediverse, so take your speech to any number of instances where the mods aren’t dicks.
Most sites don’t do that though
Actually, it’s the rule in Lemmy and Reddit. Google’s Playstore has a similar policy.
So yes, ubiquitous. A perversion worth discussing. So here we are.
Censorship is suppression or prohibition of speech
by government. Private entities don't have to enable your speech if they don't want to.
Oh so network television doesn’t employ censors? Your distinction of government censorship is just flat out incorrect.
You’re confusing censorship with freedom of speech. And I’m arguing the same point as you about private entities hosting your speech.
Do you mean persecution? Do you understand that those are different things?
Ya we already discussed that elsewhere. Close enough. My point doesn’t take a doctorate to grasp.
Yes, there’s supposed to be a higher legal standard for the state sending you to prison than a private party banning you from their forum.
There is also common decency to consider.
If you took your own advice, you wouldn’t have so many comments of yours deleted.
How does being a moderator make one an expert on common decency?
One needed not to be an expert to see that your comment were inappropriate and broke the rules.
You know what’s appropriate, the moderator knows what’s appropriate, and anybody who disagrees is wrong.
And anybody who asks for an explanation is just trolling.
That’s a rather massive and arrogant assumption.
Not “anyone”. But certainly you, currently.
You broke the rules, and you got your comments removed. Facing the consequences of your actions is not a state of victimhood.
That’s rather beside my point. I addressed prosecution without explanation.
You’ve been told multiple times where to find your explanation. You didn’t like the answer, and so now you seem to be pretending that you didn’t hear it.
I think you might be wrong there.
And you refused to answer me when I asked you in what court of law are you being prosecuted? State, federal? What laws are you alleged to have broken?
It’s a pretty bad question.
So, you still can’t answer.
Actually it’s that I prefer not to answer. It would be like building a house upon a swamp.
Kinda like claiming simple, moderator actions on a private forum or are tantamount to “prosecution“
gravityowlYour username makes a lot of sense after reading such opinion, I’m going to be honest.
Do you sincerely think those 2 things are even remotely comparable?
It isn’t an evil practice because evil people practice it. It’s just an evil practice.
Can we agree on that?