Julia EvansDec 19, 2024

I don't know if it's possible to get a good answer to this but: if you learned how to make websites with, like, users who can login and do things where the website stores stuff in a database, without doing it as a job, how did you do it?

I feel like in principle I know all of the basic pieces (HTTP, HTML, CSS, SQL, CORS, various programming languages, etc), but also somehow it still feels extremely hard to me

(no more replies please there are enough)

Show threadJan Lehnardt Dec 19, 2024
@b0rk from online tutorials and the php documentation in ~2000.
Show threadBen RamseyDec 20, 2024

@janl @b0rk I sometimes think if I were starting out now, it might be much more difficult.

Back in the day, it was easy-peasy: shared hosting with PHP, database, and FTP access. Iā€™d just upload files, see what worked and what broke, rinse, repeat.

Show threadJulia EvansDec 20, 2024

@ramsey @janl i'm not sure I'll ever understand the "it was so easy to develop with PHP + FTP" thing, it kind of feels like you had to be there

(it sounds hard to me, like developing with no version control?? no push to deploy? no local dev environment?)

Show threadWez Furlong Dec 20, 2024
@b0rk (I also learned this around the same time as @ramsey and @janl) it was easy in the sense that you just edited a file and copied it up (or edited live on the box!). You didn't *have* to think about version control or push practices because the discipline was in its infancy and those things were not super common. It would have been more difficult to do those best practices because they were not common.
Show threadZan PrestonDec 20, 2024
@wez @b0rk @ramsey @janl editing live on the box was the ultimate repl
Show threadBen Ramsey
@zan @wez @b0rk @janl Imagine if WezTerm were an FTP client. šŸ˜‰
Dec 20, 2024 at 1:39amWeb