Yes, I've heard that the FBI is now recommending that we use End-to-End encryption. Yes, I am worried about dying of an irony overdose.

FBI (etc): You should use end-to-end encryption, because networks can be easily compromised by national adversaries.

Us: Right! Just like we've been saying all along forever!

FBI: Never heard that. Anyway, It's even worse than that! They can even compromise wiretapping systems!

Us: You mean just like we warned that they would when you mandated them?

FBI: Nope, never heard anything like that either.

@mattblaze I had a coworker who worked for a company implementing Carnivore decades ago. They had some really low paid Chinese contractors who helped them. The contractors seemed to have more money than you'd expect at their pay level. They also were never in the office during the occasional announced client meetings.

It amazes me how naive government officials sometimes are.

@lyda @mattblaze The Chinese probably recruit students at their universities, and offer them the chance to travel abroad, make money, and win a place in the Chinese power structure if they can successfully get access to something valuable.

I recall when the whole CALEA thing started, the EFF was warning that there was no way to secure it and it would get abused by bad actors.

@mattblaze @mvario Paranoid brain: That’s exactly what I would tell people to do, if I were the FBI and I had compromised at least one widely used encrypted messaging app, and wanted more people to feel comfortable speaking more freely about their secrets… 
@mivox @mattblaze @mvario the most likely candidate for this is WhatsApp imho
@me @mattblaze @mvario But nobody who was actually paranoid would use a Meta property for secure communications, would they? 
@mattblaze FBI: ok, the treat from China is gone now. Everyone please go back to how you were doing things before. N
Those privacy precautions are for foreign agencies, not for us ofc
@mattblaze we were particularly amused at them trying to claim it's not a new recommendation

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"Thou shalt not have any man-in-the-middle other than Us"

@mattblaze IT professional's when the FBI said "use encrypted messaging systems":
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Literally everyone in the Pirate movement/EFF/Digital rights space: "I'm so tired".
@mattblaze honestly the most surprising thing of that announcement was that the FBI assumed there was privacy in text messages (as in SMS, not RCS with e2ee).
@mattblaze Hell that sounds like their nonsense after Jan 6th. Willful ignorance since their Twitter account was literally littered in tags about all the nonsense about to go down.
@mattblaze Well, this is true, but I hope we can agree that the worst time to highlight hypocrisy is when we are about to see change for the better

@me

1. Hypocrisy is advocating one thing while doing the opposite, which is not what the FBI is being criticized for here. They’re being criticized for being (very) late in advocating an important safeguard. See “closing the barn door…” etc.

2. The FBI is not an individual with feelings that must be protected. It’s a powerful, publicly funded institution subject to public scrutiny and criticism, at least for the time being.

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they still promote LE / IC access to encrypted
data via “trusted” tech companies retaining everyone’s encryption keys & oppose E2EE encryption¹𝄒², so there’s a [ citation needed ] for your assertion that “we are about to see change for the better”

maybe we should expect organisations to demonstrate that they have genuinely changed their position / policy / actions over an extended period of time before we start handing out cookies

1 https://www.fbi.gov/about/mission/lawful-access

2 https://www.fbi.gov/about/mission/lawful-access/lawful-access-myths-vs-reality

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FBI HQ based special agents might want to brush up on their own end-to-end encryption as they head out to their new field office work. Don't want the new management reading everything do we?

@mattblaze This is why the answer to anyone asking for a backdoor into your communications is "You first."

Then, all the reasons they say they can't do it are all the reasons you can't do it.

@mattblaze wait, did I miss some news about a wiretap getting pwned?

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Us: well at least you got there in the end.

FBI: we need to mandate backdoors to encrypted messaging services.

Us: 😒 so you learned nothing...

@mattblaze It may not be the e2e we want. Per Riana they want “responsibly managed encryption."
@cathygellis @mattblaze “irresponsibly managed encryption” is so much cooler though
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At least you won't be anemicy.
@mattblaze kinda like when the FBI wishes us a happy MLK Day...
@mattblaze presumably becuase they just twigged that going forward the 'bad guys' are going to be in charge of their own government.
Up to now, of course, your FBI surveillance has been entirely benign.
@mattblaze Now everyone remember how EU clowns still! want to ban E2EE because either think of the children or muh terrorism excuses.
@mattblaze What, so that they can break the end-to-end encryption. Boy, that's a laugh!
@mattblaze They call for "responsibly managed encryption", so there's room for interpretation 😂