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balderdashIn my experience, the mods on lemmy.ml are particularly biased. Like it’s okay to joke about American school shootings but not about abortions biased. But after a while I just stopped posting there. (I barely post to lemmy at all now, but that’s another story.)
Possibly linuxI’m pretty sure making jokes about shootings is worse that jokes about abortions.
Honestly they are both inappropriate
Reasonable people can disagree about the rules, the point is the mods are inconsistent.
(But seriously, do you really want to say one is worse than the other?)
PugJesusWhy does everyone have beef with lemmy.ml
The admins and mods cultivate a community of genocide denial and authoritarian apologism, which many users on the instance then buy into.
Why don’t you just block the instance
Instance blocking only blocks communities, not users, who still show up whenever there’s a Chinese genocide to deny or a Russian atrocity to “WHATABOUT”, or a non-Western aligned dictator to “BOTHSIDES”.
My current favorite is Taliban-simping.
When I accidentally blocked an instance, any comment from a user on that instance would be replaced by a message like “you have blocked this instance and so will not see this comment.” I don’t know if that’s a feature of my client, Connect, or of lemmy itself.
Nicht BurningTurtleShould be your client.
Sunshine (she/her)Damn I’m jealous of your client! That’s a new feature to me!
Enjoy!! At least if you’re on Android. I don’t know if an iOS version exists.
You are forgetting the strong hatred for France.
KazuyaDarklightIt isn’t literally the entire instance.
Maybe not, but when the admins and mods are part of the problem, it becomes pervasive.
In my experience it is pretty much the entire instance. All the sane people moved to other places.
Yeah, Hexbear is the worst. I would say exploding heads, but they’re gone now.
jkozakaThe ml in lemmy ml means marxism-leninism, it’s maintained by the lemmy devs so it has lots of “normal” users too. Some people associate lemmy.ml with “tankie” viewpoints.
I wouldn’t have a problem with if it wasn’t for the mods
bdonvrThe ml in lemmy ml means marxism-leninism
It means Mali and was chosen because it was cheap/free
You’re both right!
It is Mali’s domain, and Marxist-Leninists choose that domain to work out of because of the initialism.
Kinda like why BIOT’s domain is so popular with the tech folks.
rockerface 🇺🇦And Tuvalu’s domain is popular with streaming sites
chosen because it was cheap
Um nah, there are a LOT of cheap ass TLDs, hell even .com TLDs are only $10-20 a YEAR
It might not actually mean marxism-leninism (then again, who the hell knows, we have .zip TLDs now ffs), but it sure does to the .ml admins
Back 3y ago the users claimed it did mean marxist-leninist (or rather if we must be pedantic, that the TLD does mean Mali but they chose it because it meant marxist-leninist to them.) They stopped around the time of the exodus (read: they put on a mask to trap unsuspecting redditors) and they’ve ramped back up since everyone defederated hex and grad (my guess, those users created .ml alts specifically to proselytize to the unwilling like Evangelical roaches once their supply to feed their victim complex dried up.)
History for posterity’s sake.
tired_n_boredLemmy devs are tankies, especially the main maintainer
At least they’re more level headed than Nutomic is.
socsaNutonic is literally a transphobe who is on record as saying that trans rights are western degeneracy
I wonder what Blahaj thinks of him
Cowbee [he/they]Hexbear isn’t fond of Nutomic either.
ArxCyberwolfThe ml stands for Mali, which is the country the instance domain is registered to. The Marxist-Leninist connection is a happy coincidence for them.
JaymesRSYour comment has been removed for including carnist hate words. We don’t use words that glorify murder like the “b” word.
They’re making a shitty “HAHA VEGANS DUMB” joke like it’s 2010.
Nah, one of my kids are vegetarian and I cook to support them. I have no issues with vegans. I see how it came across that way though.
I suspect you must have missed the .ml vegan community drama a couple months ago. Take every bad stereotype about vegans and ramp it to 11. Everything was in bad faith. It bled into a couple different communities.
Ah makes sense, gotta put the /s when making references like that
That would have been better in hindsight.
Ohhhhh I actually did miss that completely, my bad.
Tbf, guess what the comms I got banned from are, and guess why? Vegan subs, “carnist propaganda.”
I’m just saying, don’t make a post bemoaning “why do people hate vegans” and then ban the guy saying “because they often behave like evangelical christians.” I got kicked out of church for much the same reason, ironically.
Why does everyone have beef with lemmy.ml
Extending an invitation to peruse [email protected] for some context of mod behavior
The mods of that community are communists. They seem to mod in good faith but keep that in mind.
I choose not to block the instance because there is a very small group on there that have non-political discussions that I enjoy, same with hexbear.
I also don’t like creating an echo chamber where all I hear is what I want to hear. Hearing from the other side, as disgusting as their viewpoints can be, at least let’s me know how they think.
ScrubblesI don’t agree with their tankie views, but it does force me to see other views. However I usually just eyeroll and move on.
If I see racism or hate though that’s an immediate block.
Agreed, if it’s targeted like that, you get a block.
EyedustI like this view, because I have zero idea what I just walked in on. This account is just 16 days old and I’m just here to chat non-politics and doomscroll. And by 16 days old I mean like 4 because their acceptance email got sent to spam and I didn’t notice it until then.
Tbh, I had no idea there were even factions or drama among the instances.
You should make an account on another instance, if you don’t like the heavy hand of defederation of .world, lemmy.sdf.org is a good one and sh.itjust.works is another
There’s also this community if you want to see for yourself the kind of behavior the admins and mods of .ml support, encourage and even participate in [email protected]
Honestly, that’s what I’m currently doing. I’ve always chuckled at the cleverness of the name sh.itjust.works. I started on .world, but I forgot to migrate my 2fa because I switched from Google Authenticator to an open source one on a new phone and didn’t take my lemmy token for some damn reason.
I’m only switching because I’m a neutral entity online when it comes to politics and identity. I use the internet to escape that, not dive into it. I don’t mind seeing it, I just move along and let people be people. I’d rather not be potentially tied to an image or faction by association; its nothing against .ml or anything.
Lemmy.ml admins will delete anything that doesn’t support China or Russia, and they’ll also delete anything that speaks positively of Western countries or concepts. Then they’ll purge the logs so that there’s no evidence that they’re censoring basically everything.
I started on .ml, and left after a couple months when I realized I was the only person on the instance who wasn’t a tanky fully committed to arguing with every post I see. They seem to have toned down a bit after getting defederated a couple times, but there are a lot of extremists on that instance, and they’re very loud. I felt like I was in a Chinese political re-education camp half the time.
the other side
Kremlin propaganda isn’t the other side
Yet propaganda is what has the US where we are today. If you understand the propaganda, you can help push back.
Yes, like pushing back against lemmy.ml
Their mods behave like Russian commissars. Their users go along with it.
Lemmy.ml is admin’d and moderated mostly by Marxists, and the liberal side of Lemmy is hostile to that. That’s the principle contradiction, everything else stems from that core issue.
OpenStarsLemmy has a very different community than Reddit - here, people are often outright kind.
In part that's a large reason for the beef with Lemmy.ml, e.g. recently a mod there removed comments for a user over a misunderstanding in a game, and in the process said that they (the MOD!) wanted to shoot them (the OP), doubling down and even tripping down to say "I hope you die soon". (Described in more detail here.)
It is ironic that one of the very first Lemmy instances, and also being the one whose admins are also the developers of the Lemmy sourcecode, is so much less like the rest of the people on Lemmy, and more like Reddit. But it is what it is.
Petition to defederate from hexbear.net - Discuss Online
I am not sure where to post this - most of us on this instance probably use it as a “general-purpose” one to launch ourselves into the wider Fediverse, with only a few communities being here locally. @[email protected] [/u/[email protected]] [https://discuss.online/u/jgrim] @[email protected] [/u/[email protected]] [https://discuss.online/u/lazyguru] I would like for Discuss.Online to defederate from the troll instance hexbear.net [http://hexbear.net], to protect new users (who don’t understand how communities work, local and remote) from being exposed to their toxicity and therefore drive people away from the Fediverse. I personally made the mistake of responding to a comment in a post in [email protected] [/c/[email protected]] and continued to receive messages from them - each one triggering my Notifications - for WEEKS afterwards (and then did the same for lemmygrad.ml [http://lemmygrad.ml] as well, though iirc at least one and probably both of these occurrences likely was from my prior instance StarTrek.Website, which I moved from to here b/c of Discuss.Online’s much better admin practices e.g. significantly higher uptime). I almost quit the Fediverse entirely after those incidents, though thankfully I recalled how Kbin used to be better, less toxic I mean, than Lemmy, and pushed through to figure out how to block things, especially instances (which sadly does absolutely nothing to stop this effect, when in communities not actually located on those instances, since the “instance block” is more of a “community mute”). Though I am by no means the only one that this has happened to - it seems to continually occur for each new user that joins here, almost like a rite of passage to learn which instances need to be avoided, and yet we don’t even know how many users this is turning away from us. Such instances and hexbear.net [http://hexbear.net] in particular either cannot or will not control their users, and in fact there is evidence that the admins themselves have lied to other instance admins, at which point any further communication to them is already known to be in bad faith (admittedly, the other possibility is that the admins lied to their own userbase - although is that really much better?). You can read all about this particular incident in e.g. https://discuss.online/post/13387124 [https://discuss.online/post/13387124] (and others e.g. https://lemmygrad.ml/post/6205969 [https://lemmygrad.ml/post/6205969]), although it is only the latest in a long string of such occurrences. Another good read is https://discuss.online/post/434998 [https://discuss.online/post/434998], which cites several examples that caused the admins of Lemmy.World to defederate from hexbear.net [http://hexbear.net] (much of the content has since been deleted, either by mods or by the OP, but it should be visible somewhere e.g. the modlog?). Many of the largest instances across the Fediverse have eventually already defederated from this instance - e.g. https://sh.itjust.works/post/4279462 [https://sh.itjust.works/post/4279462] and https://lemmy.ca/post/3326347 [https://lemmy.ca/post/3326347] and https://feddit.org/post/41472 [https://feddit.org/post/41472] (I don’t understand German so that’s the best example I could find there). Personally I want very badly to defederate from users on lemmy.ml [http://lemmy.ml] for similar reasons, and also the admins there likewise are not transparent with their policies of saying one thing while doing another, in particular site-wide banning people for comments that they did not know were taboo, b/c it says so nowhere that people know how to read what topics are prohibited (e.g. in the sidebar it just says “A community of privacy and FOSS enthusiasts, run by Lemmy’s developers”, and there is a link to “What is Lemmy.ml [https://lemmy.ml/post/70280]”, which is just a broken link). That one I understand may be more problematic to defederate from although I think there is a strong case to be made for it. Fwiw, it was recently discussed in https://discuss.online/post/13727946 [https://discuss.online/post/13727946] including that incident where a mod told a user that they (the mod) wanted to kill them (the OP) (sadly, I am not anywhere close to joking or exaggerating - read it for yourself e.g. at https://hexbear.net/post/3706906/5518427 [https://hexbear.net/post/3706906/5518427] where even the unremoved comments from the mod doubles down with “nono I don’t want to shoot for pointing that it’s a game, I want to shoot you because…”, and then later tripled down still further, e.g. stating “I hope you die soon.”). To be clear, the incident occurred on hexbear.net [http://hexbear.net], but the mod is from lemmy.ml [http://lemmy.ml] - those instances are often intertwined, along with lemmygrad.ml [http://lemmygrad.ml]. But regardless of what happens with lemmy.ml [http://lemmy.ml], the case for defederation from hexbear.net [http://hexbear.net] seems much more clear and straightforward - and really, why not? Tangentially, @[email protected] [/u/[email protected]] [https://feddit.org/u/Blaze] does great work in enticing mainstream Redditors to come to Lemmy, and is looking for an instance to recommend that new users to come to, though the current federation with hexbear.net [http://hexbear.net] is a dealbreaker. I don’t know if you would even want to see a large influx of new more mainstream users from there, and to be clear I think that Discuss.Online should defederate from hexbear.net [http://hexbear.net] (and possibly lemmy.ml [http://lemmy.ml]) either way, but I wanted to point out how defederation is not necessarily a bad thing i.e. in terms of decreasing available content, as doing so would open up new possibilities to be more welcoming to an audience that gets turned away by such toxicity and political extremism as is constantly flooding over here from those sources, i.e. increasing content overall. Discuss.Online is such a welcoming instance, I feel, and you are doing a fantastic job of being admins, e.g. as evidenced by the uptime stats, and upgrade timeliness, etc. The only downside is being willing to host such toxic content on this instance that derives from other sources that are not nearly so welcoming and friendly - and yet are presented side-by-side here along with all other content as being equally worthy of attention (especially when browsing by All, which I note is the default behavior, rather than Subscribed). We can do nothing to control others, only ourselves, but deciding to remain federated with them is a choice that reflects poorly on us imho (even if most of us have already blocked or otherwise avoid those communities personally, being more tech-savvy than your average mainstream Redditor), so I hope you will give strong consideration to these points, regardless of whatever the outcome may end up being. And thank you in advance for that!:-)