ToastedPlanetThe message to Democrats is clear: you must dump neoliberal economics
foggyMy message to the dnc
Fuck you we elected Bernie and you ran Hillary and then we elected Bernie and you gave us Biden. Fuck you.
Who elected Bernie in 2020? Biden wiped the floor with him. Maybe more people should’ve voted for Bernie in the primary then.
pjwestinI mean, the commenter is overstating what happened in 2016 and 2020, but Biden did not, “wipe the floor,” with him. Obama and the DNC convinced every centrist to drop out, consolidating the moderate vote around Biden, while Warren stayed in, splitting the progressive vote, and Bloomberg used his personal wealth to run anti-Bernie ads. Then Biden had to ask Bernie to help him craft a platform just so he could be electable. It’s less that, “Biden wiped the floor with him,” and more that, “the entire Democratic party lined up to block Bernie so Biden could limp over the finish line.”
Which is normal politics. Why didn’t Warren and Bernie make a deal then?
Face it- if he can’t win a primary then that’s on him. And this is coming from someone who voted for him in 2020.
Point being- people need to stop acting like there is some mythical force stopping progressives. If they truly were that numerous then Bernie would’ve been elected as the candidate in 2020 (2016 I’ll give you the DNC fuckery.)
Moreover, they could elect AOCs all over the country too. But guess what- either they aren’t that numerous or they’re lazy as shit. Either way, you get “centrist” candidates like Biden. People seriously need to wake up and either start voting en masse in the primaries or realize that America is just not that progressive.
Buddy, half your comment history is whining about non-voters costing Harris the election, and you’re gonna turn around and say, “less people voted for Bernie, deal with it?” Bernie had the entire lined up to block him; name another candidate the party has done that to. Meanwhile, Harris had a level playing field with Trump and he wiped the floor with her.
Face it- if she can’t win an election then that’s on her. And this is coming from someone who voted for her in 2024. People seriously need to wake up and either start voting en masse in the general elections or realize that America is just not that moderate.
or realize that America is just not that moderate.
I think we can look at the House of Representatives for a better representation of how moderate/progressive the electorate is. Where a statewide or national election requires a lot of money, a single district is much more accessible for a candidate with a smaller staff to campaign in.
I think the real crux of our problem is the distance between how people feel about individual progressive policies vs how they feel about progressive people who espouse all those policies. The right has been very successful at linking the culture war issues to progressives and demonizing them as SJWs, to distract from actual policy proposals.
I think we can look at the House of Representatives for a better representation of how moderate/progressive the electorate is.
Sure, as long as we ignore that the Democratic Party protects centrists and actively opposes progressives in primaries.
The national party does not invest all that heavily into individual district primary races. When a few tens of thousands of people at most are voting, there’s just only so far money can go. It’s very feasible for a candidate with a small staff of volunteers to simply canvas the district themselves.
I’m afraid that conspiracy is not the reason we don’t have more progressives in the House.
The national party does not invest all that heavily into individual district primary races.
Henry Cuellar.
At least 16 Democratic members of Congress donated to Cuellar’s campaign through their campaign committee or leadership PACs during the 2022 election cycle, according to an OpenSecrets analysis of FEC filings. In total, the campaign received some $40,400 in political contributions from other sitting Democrats.
Not sure on 2020 numbers, they’re not as quick to find. Not exactly breaking the bank here though. Almost half of his funding that cycle (almost 2 million) actually came from AIPAC, and a lot of the rest from industry and business contributions.
opensecrets.org/…/democratic-leadership-corporate…
Anyways, details are important. When we look at them, we see a lot more than some sort of “party suppression”.
Downvote and no response to my provided numbers, huh? We’re supposed to be the fact-oriented people, we care about reality, about evidence. Even when its hard, even when it doesn’t conform to our beliefs that try to explain the world in simple and emotionally convenient ways.
Demand that someone else entertain you.
It’s not entertainment, this is people’s real lives and the impacts politicians have on them. It’s your unsupported theories running headfirst into hard numbers. If you have numbers to prove me wrong, go ahead and share. But you don’t, do you? Just unsupported online conspiracy theory from your echo chambers.
I’ve been a progressive for decades, we’re on the same side, you and I. I just don’t hide behind comforting illusions.
I’m not required to reply to you in what you consider to be a timely manner. Demand entertainment from someone else.
You were really going to actually try to defend that position? Progressivism relies on the truth. If we don’t have the truth, the facts, we have nothing. We become just like the far right, following a blind faith. That won’t work though, because we’re the educated ones that employ critical thinking. Too many of us check the actual numbers behind the narratives people try to spin.
I’m not going to reward your entitled demands. Declare victory if you want. I’m not playing your stupid games.
The truth is not games. Politics is not a game. This is not funsies, it’s people’s lives.
There. You’ve declared victory and I’m free. Bother someone else with your entitlement.
I haven’t declared anything. I’ve issued a challenge to be factual. To be evidence-based. To look at and use real data instead of cozy stories.
No, you’ve obnoxiously demanded that I reply on your timetable. I’m not going to reward that behavior. Believe what you want about me, I’m done with this conversation.
No, I called you out for a downvote-no reply. Let’s not pretend we don’t know what those are.
Believe what you want about me, I’m done with this conversation.
So, apparently
Demand that someone else entertain you.
actually meant “I know where the data is and was going to provide it shortly, but now I’m offended so I won’t”?
Though we can just look at your comment history and see you almost never write more than a sentence or two. So I guess I don’t know why I’m even trying with you since it won’t matter.
btw, I did look up the 2020 primary campaign too. Tons of oil industry money, he even had the Koch brothers donating to him. Not big DNC spending though.
actually meant “I know where the data is and was going to provide it shortly, but now I’m offended so I won’t”?
It meant “you were worth the effort but I was going to fuck with it when I had more free time. Now that you’ve decided to be an entitled sealioning Karen about the whole thing, I’m not going to participate on your terms.”
Yea sure, you were planning on coming back to it after just casually downvoting some numbers from a reputable source just because they don’t support your theories. Very convenient. Not very common at all though. Perhaps you’re a very rare internet commenter? Also amusing that you had plenty of time to banter back and forth with me, but some data to back your claim must apparently be very involved to find. Strange, mine only took a few minutes to find.
Yea sure, you were planning on coming back to it after just casually downvoting some numbers from a reputable source just because they don’t support your theories.
You demanded a full thought out response after an hour. You don’t get to order me to dance for you on your timetable. You’re not getting shit from me now. No matter how obnoxiously you goad, harrass and sealion, I’m not answering any of your questions. You are not owed participation on your terms.
Yeah, I’m pretty sure you’re just pulling my leg to make it look like you’re some serious guy who doesn’t actually just pick things to believe based on how convenient they are.
Just like how you tossed out that Texas Representatives name as an example of heavy DNC spending in a house race, even though the DNC in no way spent heavily on that race. Not sure how you could’ve “fucked with” that, but whatever. Also amusing how you were “done with this conversation” like 3 comments ago. Did I prick your pride? Sorry about that. Misinformation pisses me off though.
jordanlundThread pruned for Internet Slapfighting. See rule 4.
Temp bans for both of you. Ensign_Crab has been warned on this before so their temp ban is slightly longer.