I like having Bluesky because it is a non-Twitter, non-Facebook space where I can hear from all my friends who are unable or unwilling to use Mastodon (a site with real barriers to entry). I haven't talked to a lot of those folks much since 2022 and I missed them.

I have intricate arguments why Bluesky is the wrong technical model for a distributed social network. But if a person has already decided *for nontechnical reasons* that they aren't using Mastodon, those arguments mean nothing to them

There is a lot of Bluesky negativity on Mastodon and like, I am actually pretty negative on Bluesky?, but sometimes the negativity expands into attacking *Bluesky users* for making a Bad and Wrong decision, and not only is this mean¹, I feel like almost all of *those* critiques are deeply failing at empathetic imagination. You have to consider the Bluesky user's choice from *their perspective*.

¹ Sometimes being mean to a person is an ineffective way of convincing them to change their mind.

Note: I don't know if I specifically agree with this argument but I think it is very, very interesting

https://mastodon.social/@WAHa_06x36/113529737516750973

@mcc nah it's definitely onto something. If Mastodon got the same growth spurt as Bluesky did in the same time frame... shit would have been on fire because that would almost double the userbase in a week and a half.
@mcc and while in a perfect world this would play out in new users being spread across the Mastodon network... in our current world most of them would have been on mastodon.social and It Would Not Be A Fun Time.

@eramdam @mcc I mean, fedi survives events like this about as well as CAP theorem allows it to (as does bluesky with its different tradeoffs). Maybe even better than it seems like it ought to. It's not a happy time (especially for those on m.s) but it does eventually heal.

It does place an upper bound on the growth rate of Mastodon, and eventually people self-select out as registration is locked down, but it doesn't actually *break* anything.

That does mean it's good that there was and is another alternative to bounce to, but the failure mode is more annoying/unappealing (to andi's original point) than catastrophic.

@megmac @eramdam so it seems like you're passing @WAHa_06x36 's statement in terms of technical/network scaling. I was thinking in terms of social/moderation scaling. Imagine Team Eugen trying to field dealing with the toxic mosh pit that is Jamille Bouie's mentions

@mcc @megmac @eramdam I meant it in sort of all of those senses. And yes, the social issues would probably be the worst of it.

But the technical side too, but for social reasons: The network COULD grow to accommodate the inflow, but that requires both money and human effort, and that is currently provided by goodwill, which is a very finite resource.

The fediverse thrives under slow, organic growth where goodwill can also grow slowly.

@mcc @megmac @eramdam A commercial company can weather a sudden spike in demand by investing resources with the expectation of future profits. But a volunteer-run system does not have that feedback mechanism.

For a company, a sudden spike in demand is a challenge to overcome in the moment but good news in the big picture. For a person, it's just burnout.